Sister Faustinaโ€™s Vision of Hell

โ€œ๐ˆ, ๐…๐š๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐š ๐Š๐จ๐ฐ๐š๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ค๐š, ๐›๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐จ๐ซ๐๐ž๐ซ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐†๐จ๐, ๐ฏ๐ข๐ฌ๐ข๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐€๐›๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐‡๐ž๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐จ ๐ˆ ๐ฆ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ญ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฌ ๐š๐›๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ข๐ญ & ๐ญ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ž๐ฑ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ž๐ง๐œ๐žโ€ฆ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐๐ž๐ฏ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐Ÿ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ก๐š๐ญ๐ซ๐ž๐ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฆ๐ž, ๐›๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ก๐š๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐จ๐›๐ž๐ฒ ๐ฆ๐ž ๐š๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐š๐ง๐ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐†๐จ๐. ๐–๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ซ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ž๐ง ๐ข๐ฌ ๐š ๐ฉ๐š๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐๐จ๐ฐ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ ๐ˆ ๐ฌ๐š๐ฐ. ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ž๐ ๐“๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ฆ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐›๐ž๐ฅ๐ข๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ข๐ฌ ๐š ๐ก๐ž๐ฅ๐ฅ.โ€ (๐ƒ๐ข๐š๐ซ๐ฒ ๐Ÿ•๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ)

"๐“๐จ๐๐š๐ฒ, ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐š๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ž๐ ๐›๐ฒ ๐š๐ง ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ž๐ฅ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‚๐ก๐š๐ฌ๐ฆ๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐‡๐ž๐ฅ๐ฅ. ๐ˆ๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐š ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ ๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž; ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ ๐š๐ฐ๐ž๐ฌ๐จ๐ฆ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฅ๐š๐ซ๐ ๐ž & ๐ž๐ฑ๐ญ๐ž๐ง๐ฌ๐ข๐ฏ๐ž ๐ข๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ!

๐“๐ก๐ž ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ:

๐“๐ก๐ž ๐…๐ข๐ซ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐“๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐œ๐จ๐ง๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ญ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ก๐ž๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ข๐ฌ:

 ๐™๐™๐™š ๐™ก๐™ค๐™จ๐™จ ๐™ค๐™› ๐™‚๐™ค๐™™.

๐“๐ก๐ž ๐’๐ž๐œ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ฌ:

 ๐™‹๐™š๐™ง๐™ฅ๐™š๐™ฉ๐™ช๐™–๐™ก ๐™ง๐™š๐™ข๐™ค๐™ง๐™จ๐™š ๐™ค๐™› ๐™˜๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™จ๐™˜๐™ž๐™š๐™ฃ๐™˜๐™š.

๐“๐ก๐ž ๐“๐ก๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ฌ:

 ๐™๐™๐™–๐™ฉ ๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™š'๐™จ ๐™˜๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™™๐™ž๐™ฉ๐™ž๐™ค๐™ฃ ๐™ฌ๐™ž๐™ก๐™ก ๐™ฃ๐™š๐™ซ๐™š๐™ง ๐™˜๐™๐™–๐™ฃ๐™œ๐™š.

๐“๐ก๐ž ๐…๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ญ๐ก ๐ข๐ฌ:

๐™๐™๐™š ๐™›๐™ž๐™ง๐™š ๐™ฉ๐™๐™–๐™ฉ ๐™ฌ๐™ž๐™ก๐™ก ๐™ฅ๐™š๐™ฃ๐™š๐™ฉ๐™ง๐™–๐™ฉ๐™š ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™จ๐™ค๐™ช๐™ก ๐™ฌ๐™ž๐™ฉ๐™๐™ค๐™ช๐™ฉ ๐™™๐™š๐™จ๐™ฉ๐™ง๐™ค๐™ฎ๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™ž๐™ฉ. ๐˜ผ ๐™ฉ๐™š๐™ง๐™ง๐™ž๐™—๐™ก๐™š ๐™จ๐™ช๐™›๐™›๐™š๐™ง๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™จ๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™˜๐™š ๐™ž๐™ฉ ๐™ž๐™จ ๐™– ๐™ฅ๐™ช๐™ง๐™š๐™ก๐™ฎ ๐™จ๐™ฅ๐™ž๐™ง๐™ž๐™ฉ๐™ช๐™–๐™ก ๐™›๐™ž๐™ง๐™š, ๐™ก๐™ž๐™ฉ ๐™—๐™ฎ ๐™‚๐™ค๐™™'๐™จ ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™œ๐™š๐™ง.

๐“๐ก๐ž ๐…๐ข๐Ÿ๐ญ๐ก ๐“๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž ๐ข๐ฌ:

๐˜พ๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™ฉ๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™ช๐™–๐™ก ๐™™๐™–๐™ง๐™ ๐™ฃ๐™š๐™จ๐™จ & ๐™– ๐™ฉ๐™š๐™ง๐™ง๐™ž๐™—๐™ก๐™š ๐™จ๐™ช๐™›๐™›๐™ค๐™˜๐™–๐™ฉ๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™จ๐™ข๐™š๐™ก๐™ก, & ๐™™๐™š๐™จ๐™ฅ๐™ž๐™ฉ๐™š ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™™๐™–๐™ง๐™ ๐™ฃ๐™š๐™จ๐™จ, ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™™๐™š๐™ซ๐™ž๐™ก๐™จ & ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™จ๐™ค๐™ช๐™ก๐™จ ๐™ค๐™› ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™™๐™–๐™ข๐™ฃ๐™š๐™™ ๐™จ๐™š๐™š ๐™š๐™–๐™˜๐™ ๐™ค๐™ฉ๐™๐™š๐™ง & ๐™–๐™ก๐™ก ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™š๐™ซ๐™ž๐™ก, ๐™—๐™ค๐™ฉ๐™ ๐™ค๐™› ๐™ค๐™ฉ๐™๐™š๐™ง๐™จ & ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š๐™ž๐™ง ๐™ค๐™ฌ๐™ฃ.

๐“๐ก๐ž ๐’๐ข๐ฑ๐ญ๐ก ๐“๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž ๐ข๐ฌ:

 ๐™๐™๐™š ๐™˜๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™จ๐™ฉ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™ฉ ๐™˜๐™ค๐™ข๐™ฅ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™ฎ ๐™ค๐™› ๐™Ž๐™–๐™ฉ๐™–๐™ฃ.

๐“๐ก๐ž ๐’๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ก ๐“๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž ๐ข๐ฌ:

๐™ƒ๐™ค๐™ง๐™ง๐™ž๐™—๐™ก๐™š ๐™™๐™š๐™จ๐™ฅ๐™–๐™ž๐™ง, ๐™๐™–๐™ฉ๐™ง๐™š๐™™ ๐™ค๐™› ๐™‚๐™ค๐™™, ๐™ซ๐™ž๐™ก๐™š ๐™ฌ๐™ค๐™ง๐™™๐™จ, ๐™˜๐™ช๐™ง๐™จ๐™š๐™จ & ๐™—๐™ก๐™–๐™จ๐™ฅ๐™๐™š๐™ข๐™ž๐™š๐™จ.

๐“๐ก๐ž๐ฌ๐ž ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐“๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ซ๐ž๐ ๐›๐ฒ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐๐š๐ฆ๐ง๐ž๐ ๐ญ๐จ๐ ๐ž๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ, ๐›๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ž๐ง๐ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ.

๐—œ๐—ป๐—ฑ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐—ฐ๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐—ฏ๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐—น๐—ฒ ๐—ฆ๐˜‚๐—ณ๐—ณ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด๐˜€
๐“๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ž๐œ๐ข๐š๐ฅ ๐“๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ ๐๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฉ๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ข๐œ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐š๐ซ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฌ. ๐“๐ก๐ž๐ฌ๐ž ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐ž๐ง๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ. ๐„๐š๐œ๐ก ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ž๐ซ๐ ๐จ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ซ๐ข๐›๐ฅ๐ž & ๐ข๐ง๐๐ž๐ฌ๐œ๐ซ๐ข๐›๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฅ๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฆ๐š๐ง๐ง๐ž๐ซ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฐ๐ก๐ข๐œ๐ก ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ง๐ž๐.

๐—œ ๐˜„๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—น๐—ฑ ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ ๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ
๐“๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐œ๐š๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ง๐ฌ & ๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž ๐ฐ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐จ๐ง๐ž ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ฆ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ ๐จ๐ง๐ฒ ๐๐ข๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐Ÿ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐š๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ. ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐๐ข๐ž๐ ๐š๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ฒ ๐ฌ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฌ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ข๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐จ๐ฆ๐ง๐ข๐ฉ๐จ๐ญ๐ž๐ง๐œ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐†๐จ๐ ๐ก๐š๐ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ฆ๐ž.

๐—ก๐—ผ ๐—ข๐—ป๐—ฒ ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—ป ๐—ฆ๐—ฎ๐˜† ๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐—ก๐—ผ ๐—›๐—ฒ๐—น๐—น
๐‹๐ž๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ง๐ž๐ซ ๐ค๐ง๐จ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ก๐ž ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐›๐ž ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ž๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ง๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ž๐ง๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ข๐œ๐ก ๐ก๐ž ๐ฆ๐š๐๐ž ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง. ๐ˆ ๐š๐ฆ ๐ฐ๐ซ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐š๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐š๐ง๐ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐†๐จ๐, ๐ฌ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ง๐จ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ ๐ฆ๐š๐ฒ ๐Ÿ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐š๐ง ๐ž๐ฑ๐œ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐›๐ฒ ๐ฌ๐š๐ฒ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ง๐จ ๐ก๐ž๐ฅ๐ฅ, ๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ง๐จ๐›๐จ๐๐ฒ ๐ก๐š๐ฌ ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ ๐›๐ž๐ž๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž, & ๐ฌ๐จ ๐ง๐จ ๐จ๐ง๐ž ๐œ๐š๐ง ๐ฌ๐š๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐žโ€ฆ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ซ๐ข๐›๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž! ๐‚๐จ๐ง๐ฌ๐ž๐ช๐ฎ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฒ, ๐ˆ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐š๐ฒ ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ง ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ซ๐ฏ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐จ๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ง๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ. ๐ˆ ๐ข๐ง๐œ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ๐š๐ง๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž๐š๐ ๐†๐จ๐โ€™๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ž๐ซ๐œ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฆ.

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This one is more credible

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Mungu aturehemu. May God have mercy on our wretched souls that we might escape that awful place.
Hell was never created for humans but they choose to go there.

Kama hakuna mtu amewahi enda akarudi na tangible ebrufication, pana tambua white manโ€™s religion lies

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Hell iko huku tu

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Hell doesnโ€™t need you to believe it exists. Infact most people in hell right now didnโ€™t believe it existed when they were alive. But they still went there!

The moment a person dies and lands in hell is when they realize that they were the biggest fool that ever existed. They wish they could come back for just 5 seconds and repent, but itโ€™s too late.

The Bible says that when a person dies, their works follow them for all eternity. Imagine a person who lived for 20 years. Whatever they did in those short 20 years follows them for trillions and gazillions of years after their death, either in heaven being congratulated and served by angels or suffering the torture of hell.

It means that this life must be very important. Itโ€™s the only opportunity youโ€™re given to change the course of your soul. Iโ€™ve heard from people who died and came back that everyone is first given their life review. Did you know that even how you greet a passerby is included in the life review? Something which might look insignificant like speaking warmly and kindly to a cashier at the checkout meant so much to God.

Sometimes when I think of doing or saying something, immediately I remember the life review and I change my approach. We know that cameras are everywhere watching us, but Godโ€™s camera is more powerful because it never malfunctions or runs out of batteries. So let us be thoughtful and reverent before the most Holy Judge.

Hebrews 4:12. โ€œFor the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.โ€

@messiahette
Man is made up of 2 components โ€ฆ

  • The Body
  • The Spirit

We know the first one is born , grows , ages , dies and decays.
The second one , we are not really sure about.

The only way we will know for sure is to die โ€ฆ:joy::rofl:

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What people refer to as pain is just an evolutionary survival tactic to help you get away from danger through the nerve endings. In fact when someone is burnt, the nerves are completely destroyed such that they no longer feel the burning pain. So, in hell, how will someone feel the pain from the fire since their nerve endings already died with the bodyโ€ฆ

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I know that i am a sinner.
Every morning, I must get on my knees beside my bed to pray and ask the Almighty God for forgiveness.

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Iโ€™m tagging @Stormtrooper98. Heโ€™s an acquaintance. He is into these things

Do not be decoyed out of a good life here on earth with empty promises of an afterlife. If God loves his creations then why is it that there is a fire pit for them?

firwa!

I have made it clear before, an Almighty God with the capability of willing planets, stars, galaxies and an entire universe into existence can never be concerned with the mundane details of my life. Whether I believe he exists or not, it makes no difference. God is perfect and therefore there is nothing you can do to improve his status or deteriorate it. Praise and worship yote ni kupigia mbuzi guitar.

I also want to reiterate I do not believe these vision or testimonies as there is no way of verifying whether they are genuine, hallucinations or straight up hekayas.

Lastly on the issue of hell, I just donโ€™t see what God stands to gaim by torturing us for eternity. Like if I had a kid kichwa ngumu hata angekuwa mwizi I donโ€™t think I would stop loving them.

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Rotu alikuwa huko?

When you look at the face of jabass, that right there is a vision of hell

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Man, aint you a hopper? A spectacle!

You prescribe hell on earth for cannanites but when time comes for you to face your own accountability not being one of godโ€™s chosen people you look for the nearest exit.

You have no issue with canaanites being tortured and exterminated on the basis of some ancient text but when faced with your own mortality with high chances of torture as written in the text you prescribe to cannanites you do a 180 ati torture aint good while weeping your eyes out ati hell haileti shangwe!

And it all makes sense to you in your brain na unaongea tu, unafungua mdomo.

??? Havenโ€™t I told you repeatedly I am an atheist but you have kept insisting am a theist, sio? So I just play along with your little nonsensical games every now and then. I am even shocked today is when you have realised Iโ€™ve been trolling you.

Yea yea yea.

When youโ€™re caught your defence is โ€œI was jokingโ€. Cโ€™mon man. Stay true to yourself. Youโ€™re anti cannanite to your mitochondria, totally reliant on and believing nothing more than anti cannanite verses of the bible in your grovelling to gods chosen people. Iโ€™ve torn away your mask you 2 faced nyeuthi. Now you run to atheism when the same godโ€™s chosen people remind you you aint worth crap and youโ€™re only goood already black firewood for hell.

You cant have your cake and eat it too.

why would god do such a retarded thing?