You shouldn't be allowed to vote if you are poor

[karl_marx]

@aviator

Poor people do not pay taxes. Period. They thrive on the sweat of the few who toil their asses all week long and are taxed to death so that the poor man can get free medicine, roads and free education for their children. Yet, the poor people being the majority, have a crucial vote that determines who will be president, MCA, MP, etc. I have no idea who came up with the idea that voting is everybody’s right. Voting is a very important process for any country and should be left to those who
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[li]fund the government operations, including the voting[/li][li]understand the effect of the candidate they vote[/li][li]are to be affected by the candidates they vote in.[/li][/ol]
See, it is like candidates presenting themselves for an interview for the company CEO, and then you call the cleaners to come and interview them. The CEO will always be interviewed by the shareholders (through a board, etc) since this is the person expected to drive their interests.

Government operations rely on the taxes we pay, just like your family survives on the money you make. If you do not contribute to the taxes, then you should have no business voting for people to spend or control how the tax money should be used. If someone does not contribute to the family kitty, they have no business telling you how it should be used. You can’t enjoy the gains if you haven’t experienced the pains. Non-taxpayers have no care about the candidate they vote in since they really aren’t affected in any way when someone messes our economy. When taxes are raised, it is the taxpayers who suffer. When the shilling weakens, it is use taxpayers who suffer. That is why those guys will vote for a thief who will mess our economy just because they were given some 500 bob.

Is it possible to amend the constitution so that the power of your vote is dependent on the amount of taxes you have paid?

I may not entirely agree with you but what i know is that many people(whether poor or not) who line up to vote have no business going anywhere near a voting booth. This not only applies in Kenya but actually in any country that purports to practice democracy.

[Fala_12]

@Mzee mzima

International organizations, countries like China give a lot of money to Kenya, they should be allowed to vote too… See your argument o_O

i think china usa and britain have more say in kenyan affairs than the kenyan voter

[aviator]

@jambazim

What would be your definition of " poor " in this case? Are you going to include educated job seekers etc?

Those who do not pay any taxes apart from when they are consuming (VAT)

[wood]

@aviator

Poor people do not pay taxes

You are truly an idiot!

[Mzee_mzima]

What’s your definition of poor,according to some people your living standards are of a poor person, so even you might not vote!

[Old_Monk]

Yet registration/voting is to be made mandatory to those who qualify to be registered.

[wood]

@wheelz

Actually, the cooking oil bought at 1,000 is sold cumulatively at 2,000 in the slum. So as much as they are paying 10/- per unit, they are being fucked . The chap buying at 1000 is getting more value for money.

The poor are taxed. The middle class are taxed the most. The real billionaires are taxed the least. So, this is really just another Middle class rant.

Educate him.
Cannot believe the level of ignorance that @aviator show in this thread.

[Ice_Cube]

@Web Dev

Hata wewe ni mkaaji wa kasalany?

hapana nitakua hapo sportsview estate shughuli

[wheelz]

@aviator

Differentiate between being taxed and someone making business out of someone.

You are diverting. That’s not how to put a point across.

The oil bought for business has already been taxed. Tax is always pushed to the end user.

[biraru]

@Mzee mzima

What’s your definition of poor,according to some people your living standards are of a poor person, so even you might not vote!

:D:D:D:D:D:D GOLD!

[aviator]

@wheelz

You are diverting. That’s not how to put a point across.

The oil bought for business has already been taxed. Tax is always pushed to the end user.

What I mean is hio oil ya 1000 bob nimelipia 160 bob as the retailer. When i sell it at 2000 bob, sitaongeza tax to be 320. The govt still gets the 160 that I paid. Hio iko juu ni faida yangu, which i will compute profits and cough 30% to the govt. Na nikijilipa mshahara, another 30%.

So you are comparing me to the 100 guys who paid the cumulative 160 bob for the oil’s VAT? Na ni wao walikunywa hio mafuta?

[vuja_de]

Let’s divide the political seats according to economic class, e.g. Kabete MP for middle class, Kabete MP for peasants

[Ice_Cube]

@aviator

Have you got figures to support this assertion? In my village, there are like 20 taxpayers and 1000 non-tax payers. kama ni VAT zote tunalipa. And I am sure I pay more VAT coz i shop more. Mimi nikitumia gas/stima kupika jamaa anatumia makaa. Makaa hulipiwa tax wapi?

I will look for a report and post here, but you should ask yourself why most companies went for the kadogo economy several years back, from banks, safaricom even NSSF bana, they are a huge mass market meaning more sales = more taxes for the coffers. You may spend more as a household than the average poor household but cumulatively, your middle class population may not be paying more than the poor folks as a whole since they are much more in number, with more households. VAT is collected from the manufacturers, it does not matter whether the loaf of bread gets consumed in Mathare or Muthaiga

[aviator]

@old monk

Yet registration/voting is to be made mandatory to those who qualify to be registered.

That is the sadness of life. Politicians would love it that way coz the ignorant are the ones who vote them in.

[Ice_Cube]

@aviator

When i sell it at 2000 bob, sitaongeza tax to be 320

the VAT is calculated from the amount you paid the manufacturer when it was bought, the extra amount you make from over pricing remains your profits and it is your initiative to pay taxes on the same to KRA, hapa ndio ETR zinafaa kukunasa

[jambazim]

@aviator

Those who do not pay any taxes apart from when they are consuming (VAT)

I dont pay tax. Should i vote? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[aviator]

@Ice_Cube

I will look for a report and post here, but you should ask yourself why most companies went for the kadogo economy several years back, from banks, safaricom even NSSF bana, they are a huge mass market meaning more sales = more taxes for the coffers. You may spend more as a household than the average poor household but cumulatively, your middle class population may not be paying more than the poor folks as a whole since they are much more in number, with more households

Cumulatively, the poor draw more than the middle/upper class. For example, I pay 1,000 NHIF yet I still have to pay for a private medical insurance coz the poor fools who pay 100 have filled the facility straining it such that i can not get my 1000 bob worth of service.

[10000_OTHERS]

@Ice_Cube

they pay VAT Mrs Mureithi, unless you find a way to remove VAT from goods sold to the poor

MAYBE SHE MEANS POOR ONLY USE NON VATABLE GOODS

[wheelz]

@aviator

What I mean is hio oil ya 1000 bob nimelipia 160 bob as the retailer. When i sell it at 2000 bob, sitaongeza tax to be 320. The govt still gets the 160 that I paid. Hio iko juu ni faida yangu, which i will compute profits and cough 30% to the govt. Na nikijilipa mshahara, another 30%.

So you are comparing me to the 100 guys who paid the cumulative 160 bob for the oil’s VAT? Na ni wao walikunywa hio mafuta?

And that is why I said, The poor are taxed. The middle class are taxed the most. The real billionaires are taxed the least. So, this is really just another Middle class rant.

[jambazim]

@wood

Educate [SIZE=5]him. [/SIZE] her
Cannot believe the level of ignorance that @aviator show in this thread.

Yeye ni Shemale ;)