Where is Lucifer folks? We hear he was chased from heaven so he must be hiding somewhere at middle Earth.
Where can it be the oceans,?
Anybody with a reasonable answer basing on the Bible.
Where he has always been, in people’s imaginations…
Do you want to Deal with spiritual beings as if they are in the physical realm?
If you believe the Vision of Isaiah ben Amoz in the Ascension of Isaiah (early Christian text) then Satan is below the 1st heaven in the firmament i.e the space above the earth’s atmosphere but below the moon where Satan and his demon princes rule, enviously committing violence on each other.
LUcifer and Satan are two different beings… Lucifer was innocent until he decided to overthrow the Almighty God… Then his name changed to Satan… Anyway that is semantics… Satan seems to be operating from the earth (see: he tempted Jesus, Adam and Eve; He also messed up with Job)… He seems to have access to the throne of the Almighty God regularly (daily?) where he seems to have a chat with the Almighty God… and he actually said, I have been all over the earth seeing whom he should tempt… He is also the accuser of he brethren… so he shuffles between heaven and earth on a regular basis…
God na shetani were created in man’s own image. Without man, they wouldn’t exist.
It is okay as long as you deny the infallibility of the Scriptures…
Am curious… Since Satan knows God personally and Hebrews tells us Jesus is the image of the invisible God, that through Jesus everything was created and is sustained, that Jesus is the heir of the world i.e owns everything ever made… Why did Satan in the gosples think he can tempt Jesus by giving him that which he already owns? Did Satan forget who Jesus is?
My question is, was he being tempted then as the Son of God or as God who became a man… so, indeed He had shed His deity in that period and was acting as a man? Now, Satan indeed has control over the materials of this world or Jesus would have denied that during the temptation… If He was acting as God, I do not know whether He could have gone through that suffering to crucifixion…
Jesus was fully God and fully man. John tells us:
John 1:1-3
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2]He was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Therefore Jesus was always God, and since Jesus died and we know God can’t die then Jesus was fully man as well.
The most logical conclusion is the temptation in the desert never happened. If Jesus was with God in the beginning, Satan/Lucifer would have known this.
You will be excommunicated for asking real questions. Religious folks na logic ni maji na mafuta.
waaah a major question…
what would be your answer
Tempteshen in the desert never happened… that’s my conclusion.
or maybe the bread and cities are metaphorical…maybe he was tempted with spiritual things we cannot comprehend
Which is even worse thus rendering the scriptures nugatory. Bible msee unafaa kusoma kama ile.kitabu ya abunwasi; for entertainment and pastime purposes only.
if you dont believe, why waste your time and energy arguing about it. It’s like me arguing about Allah who I don’t believe in… it’s redundant. spend your short time here on earth wisely
One can never be too sure about anything in this world, not even about reality itself. Even those who claim to be proponents of science, logic, reason, the experts, not the charlatans at some point begin to draw blanks. To speak with authority and finality about any issue, that such and such cannot be, and to mock those that are of an alternative view is not only self-delusion but also foolishness.
Indeed it is possible as you say.
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