Assimilation kizee, some Kikuyus even in this village have Dorobo genes that are very Dominant.
@jaymoh, @Wakanyama, @kubuda…
You want to say the maasai were eating other peoples wives?
Rape could be a better word
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There is a small group of less than a thousand in narok and two years back they won a case in court, they had filed about land.
That’s what it translates to.
I don’t think so. The Ogiek were the Ndorobo - who were hunter gatherers. they did not have earthly possessions hence were held in contempt. to date a person who has nothing is called a mugiiki. Pioneers, on the other hand, scout new lands for settlement.
Mimi si midget
They are the same. They were pushed from aound mount kenya to the mau complex where they became assimilated kalenjins.
Levin Opiyo, a budding historian wrote this on his fb page a while back
The area now known as Kiambu was occupied by the Dorobo who owned it on the basis of hunting rights.
It was later acquired by Kikuyus who got it by outright purchase from them…
Because Dorobos lived in forests most of the land sold was uncut forest which they called “githaka”,and it was the duty of the purchaser to cut down the trees.
The prices varied according to the size of “githaka”.The lowest price was 30 goats going up to 300 or more .As they were hunters and gatherers ,meaning they never kept animals, all the goats paid by the buyer were taken to a relative, that is a Mkikuyu in whose family they had married for herding ,and whenever they required meat they would go and get them.
A man wishing to purchase Dorobo’s “githaka” first bought alcohol which they all drank while discussing the sale.once the transaction was made the buyer would be treated as a relative as in marriage and if there was a fight between them ,then a goat would be killed and both parties smeared with dung.
When Europeans started arriving in Kenya, Kiambu was amongst the first areas that were granted to them.This made Kikuyus to appear before the Kenya Land Commission of 1932 to present their land grievances.
While appearing before the same commission, John Ainsworth ,the man credited with building Nairobi, consistently opposed the notion by the Kikuyus that they owned Kiambu by purchasing it from the Dorobo.
In his opinion ,Kikuyus only started purchasing land from the Dorobos after they realised that as the land was not theirs, they would need to prove some title in future,to show that they obtained it from someone.
He claimed that the payments made by the Kikuyus to the Dorobo were “hongo” (bribery) “for a peaceful footing ,freedom from molestation and compensation for disturbance of rights to hunt and collect honey” ,also arguing that there was no way the Dorobo could sell their land to the extent of being landless.
One Dorobo called Turuthi Githira in an affidavit sworn before Mr J.D Mckean the District Commissioner Kiambu claimed:
"I am head of the Ndorobo.When Bwana Hall came to Fort Hall (Muranga) i was already a warrior
"I agree we sold land to the Kikuyu tribe .The land was sold outright ,but we could always return from time to time to the purchaser and get something as in a marriage case.Once selling a piece of land it was our custom to move off the piece sold but sometimes we did not move, but there was no trouble about it.
“The general way of marking out a boundary was to show the purchaser our game pits and telling him which ones he could not pass .Where there was no game pits,trees were marked and where there were no trees lillies were planted.We intermarried with Kikuyus they also married our girls.”
The following conversation also took place between the Chairman Kenya Land Commission and another Dorobo witness,
"Chairman: Can you tell us whether Dorobo were a subdivision of the Kikuyu or whether they were related to Kikuyus?
Witness: They have got some sort of relationship .My father told me that according to what he had always heard ,the Kikuyu and Dorobo were of the same race.
Chairman: Did your father sell any land ?
Witness: Yes where Mr Cane’s house is and other places where Europeans live .My father’s eldest brother was named Gitutu.As matters stand today we are like Kikuyu ,but my father and his brothers were true Dorobos."
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The pygmies were Khoisan
www.khoisanpeoples.org/indepth/ind-san-people.htm
I was having a talk with my late grandfather, he told me his grandfather told him that when the Maasai arrived in Nyeri they encountered “small men that spoke with clicking sounds, they immediately left the area and migrated southward.”
Some of the comments from the thread
[U]Julius Kigombe[/U] Thanx Odhiambo.I’m a fifth generation descendant of Turuthi (Ntorosi aka Torosei) and the Maasai /Ndorobo lineage is factual.My grandfather hailed from Githirioni ,Lari sub county ,Kiambu county. The Turuthi family is still there best represented by post independence former member of parliament Mr Turuthi Mungai.For further reading on southern Kikuyu’s land acquisition ,read Professor Godfrey Muriuki’s book ‘The Agikuyu 1500_1800’ .Century. Once again a gem of history which the younger or even older generation don’t know.The ndorobo and Athi heritage amongst the southern Kikuyu’s (Kiambu) is factual.
They associated closely with the dorobo.in In Nyeri county at a place called mutwe wa thii,in mukurueini there lived the Dorobo known as the Ngumba,very short people with large heads they are also known to live in Congo forest today
Daniel Gitau Contrary to belief, the Agikuyu were a Semitic tribe that descended from Ethiopia. They met the Gumba, a Bantu tribe from whom they were assimilated and adopted the Bantu language. They also married the dorobo (Maasai) and athi ( probable kambas) which changed their originality. That is why you find varied colors, heights and features. From very light color to very dark color. From short stocky to lanky and tall. From Cushitic looking to Congo Bantu features.
Kiminja Muiruri I live in kiambu and fellowship in st.paul Anglican. among our brothers we have people who trace their origins from the dorobos. this you can confirm with bishop Timothy ranji. they speak kikuyu and were it not for bishop ranji I would not have known this.
Olivia Mukora My great grandfather was among those who started the church. He was Dorobo. Apparently they were assimilated into the Kikuyu tribe. That is why we speak the language.
Kabuchi Wanjau Nyeri kikuyus assimilated athi gumba and maaasai… Tetù is a maasai name and its an area in Nyeri
Sonyo N Cheter I was told that when my forefather came to ngemwa it was inhabited by dorobo
A forest dwelling people
Then then Wangengi and kiruku who had come from mukurwe chased the dorobo away and occupied the land we now call home
All the dorobo were assimilated into kikuyu.
Does anyone know this story?
Kungu Chege I have heard this history from my roots. My great grandfather called Kung’u wa Wanyangi came to Kagwe- Kiambu in 1700 and ‘purchased’ land from Dorobos. He paid through a couple of goats. That’s how my family found themselves around Kagwe tea factory in Kiambu.
Kabuchi Wanjau Kagwì in Githùngùri was also ndorobo country… actually… the wholr of kiambu… westlands…karura mbagathi dagoretti was ndorobo country
Simon Kibiro My grandfather was called Bubi,and then my father is called Kibiro this are great Dorobo names and I am a great Dorobo. Turudishiwe mashamba
Link?
The Gumba perphaps
Niaje wankermeffi
poa sana jazameffi
The standard mentions that Agikuyu transplanted Maasai and Gumba people from Nyeri around 1800. This could corroborate your great great grandfather’s mention of the people who talked in clicks.
Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000098162/what-you-didn-t-know-about-the-kikuyu-community
Not all. Some like the twa of rwanda don’t speak in clicks. Others like hadza of tanzania use clicks but are considered an isolate group instead of a Khoisan group.