I did not equate Jesus with Al Shabaab, his teachings went against the ruling class of the day, it would have done the same if he was born into our generation, anybody that goes against the system is labelled an extremist.
Soma hii link… Don’t take me wrong, I consider Jesus to be a holy man and one of the best creations of God.
I’m with you, @mabenda4! I know where you are coming from. Wewe simama imara umtetee bwana yesu!
But I have to say, it intrigues me how we go to great lengths to try to proof that Jesus is God. And yet the Jews, whose Bible we use, the very tribe from which Jesus came from, the very people he was supposed to have come to redeem, never recognized him as God. In fact, Jesus himself never presented himself as God!
It’s a problem caused by Trinitarianism.
Trinitarianism was definitively declared to be Christian doctrine at the 4th century ecumenical councils, that of the First council of Nicaea which declared the full divinity of the Son and the First council of Constantinople , which declared the divinity of the holy spirit.
There are Christians today that don’t believe Jesus is god/son of god, they comprise a small minority of modern Christianity. By far the three largest nontrinitarian denominations are Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and the Iglesia ni Cristo.
A funny thing is that the Jews say Ezrah is the son of God, they don’t believe in Jesus as a prophet or a son of God, they call him a son of a prostitute and a bastard.
Waafrika ni shida tulipenda…sasa tunajadiliana shida za waarabu na wayahudi…my opinion ni whoever jesus na mohammad were, walikuwa majamaa wajanja sana eti hiyo miaka yote imepita na watu duniani nzima bado wanafuata
@mabenda4
With all the English you spat, you can’t comprehend figure of speech. My father your father doesn’t mean father like you are trying to put it.
And if he says my father ,then how again can he be God?
Why is it that when reading the bible we have to disregard English ?
Why does God contradict himself in the bible?
Fyi God doesn’t contradict himself , but based on your interpretation there are so many contradictions .
If I told you God in the bible says don’t eat pork and alcohol you’ll quote me a verse that says whatever goes in you impure , comes out … some verses like that.
No one has rubbished Jesus, in fact he’s held in high regard, he and his mother Mary, in Islam that is.
but not as the church is trying to equate him to God
God was also father to Adam, Jacob, Ephraim, David and Solomon just wondering how one can reconcile this statement “Son of God” to apply only to Jesus? Yet others bear the same title and are not considered to be God. Someone may choose to say that Jesus was begotten so that sets him aside but also God said about David:
"…Too many people think that Judas did something of little importance. Some even go to the extent of saying that he is well deserving, because Redemption would not have taken place without him, and that he is therefore justified in the eyes of God.
I solemnly tell you that, if Hell did not already exist and was not perfect in its torments, it would have been created even more dreadful and eternal for Judas, because of all sinners and damned souls, he is the most damned and the biggest sinner, and throughout eternity there will be no mitigation of his sentence.
Remorse could have also saved him, if he had turned remorse into repentance. But he would not repent and, to the first crime of betrayal, still compatible because of the great mercy that is My loving weakness, he added blasphemy, resistance to the voices of Grace, that still wanted to speak to him through recollections, through terrors, through My Blood and My mantle, through My glances, through the traces of the institution of the Eucharist, through the words of My Mother. He resisted everything. He wanted to resist. As he had wanted to betray. As he wanted to curse. As he wanted to commit suicide.
It is one’s will that matters in things. Both in good and in evil. When one falls without the will to follow, I forgive.
Consider Peter. He denied Me. Why? Not even he knew why. Was Peter a coward? No. My Peter was not cowardly. Facing the cohort and the guards of the Temple he had dared to wound Malcus to defend Me, risking his own life thereby. He then ran away, without the will to do so. Then he denied Me, without the will to do it. Later he did remain and proceed on the bloody way of the Cross, on My Way, until he reached death on a cross. And then he bore witness to Me very efficiently, to the point of being killed because of his fearless faith. I defend My Peter. His bewilderment was the last one of his human nature. But his spiritual will was not present at that moment. Dulled by the weight of his humanity, it was asleep. When it awoke, it did not want to remain in sin, but it wanted to be perfect. I forgave him at once.
Judas did not want. You say that he seemed mad and hydrophobic. He was so through satanic fury. His terror in seeing the dog, a rare animal particularly in Jerusalem, was a consequence of the fact that, from time immemorial, that form was attributed to Satan to appear to men. In books of magic it is stated that one of the forms preferred by Satan to appear to men is that of a mysterious dog or cat or billy-goat. Judas, already a prey to terror brought about by his crime, being convinced that he belonged to Satan because of his crime, saw Satan in that stray animal.
He who is guilty, sees shadows of fear in everything. It is his conscience that creates them. Then Satan instigates such shadows, which might still bring a heart to repent, and turns them into horrible ghosts that lead to despair. And despair leads to the last crime: suicide. What is the use of throwing away the price of the betrayal, when such deprivation is only the fruit of wrath and is not corroborated by a righteous will of repentance? Only in such case the act of divesting oneself of the fruits of evil deeds becomes meritorious. But he did not do that. A useless sacrifice.
My Mother, and She was Grace that was speaking and My Treasurer that was granting forgiveness in My name, said to him: "Repent, Judas. He forgives… " Oh! I would have forgiven him! If he had only thrown himself at the feet of My Mother saying: “Mercy”, She, the Merciful Mother, would have picked him up as a wounded man, and on his satanic wounds, through which the Enemy had imbued him with the Crime, She would have shed Her tears that save and She would have brought him to Me, to the foot of the Cross, holding him by the hand, so that Satan might not snatch him and the disciples might not strike him. She would have brought him so that My Blood might fall first of all on him, the greatest of all sinners. And She would have been the admirable Priestess on Her altar, between Purity and Guilt, because She is the Mother of virgins and saints, but She is also the Mother of sinners.
But he did not want. Meditate on the power of free will, of which you are the absolute arbiters. Through it you can have Heaven or Hell. Meditate on what persisting in sin means
Of course he was, for the colonial power of the time. just like mau mau. He is the kimathi of his people.
He was “killed” for preaching treasonable propaganda. Romans had their own liberal set of gods and didnt even care about religious stuff Jesus was preaching.
^^^You have added a twist to an already complicated discourse, @karl marx! Why should you introduce Mary into this debate, knowing all too well that she is a highly controversial subject herself?
Wacha tu kujichanganya. Hizo fables unajaribu kujustify ni msee tu alikaaa mahali akaspin. Hakuna vile unaweza pacify hiyo shit. ata ukichoose kusoma quran pekee.
Judas was remorseful for his actions. The act of betraying the Savior of mankind, more so one who is purported to be the son of God, drove him to suicide
[I](Matthew 27:3-8) - “Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” But they said, “What is that to us? See to that yourself!” 5And he threw the pieces of silver into the sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself. 6And the chief priests took the pieces of silver and said, “It is not lawful to put them into the temple treasury, since it is the price of blood.” 7And they counseled together and with the money bought the Potter’s Field as a burial place for strangers. 8For this reason that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day.”
I stii maintain that Judas didn’t have free will as his actions had already been determined.[/I]