US lawmakers urge Kenya to reconsider sh43b weapons deal

[Ole_Wenu1]

Very ignorant observations and arguments.
Those who are calling them crop dusters, have you bothered to Google the capabilities of the proposed aeroplanes?

[magreb]

@Ole_Wenu

Very ignorant observations and arguments.
Those who are calling them crop dusters, have you bothered to Google the capabilities of the proposed aeroplanes?

Thank you enlightened one. Explain to me in the same way you would to a child. Why buy the capable planes at 43 billion when the same are available for 20 billion?

[Abba]

@Ole_Wenu

Very ignorant observations and arguments.
Those who are calling them crop dusters, have you bothered to Google the capabilities of the proposed aeroplanes?

I don’t know how you see things. The thing people call crop dusters are worth 20 billion not 43 billion quated by a greedy hyena. A US congressman has come your rescue to help you save money so that you can pay striking doctors na baado unaona tu a name “crop duster?”

[Jazzman]

@magreb

Thank you enlightened one. Explain to me in the same way you would to a child. Why buy the capable planes at 43 billion when the same are available for 20 billion?

Allow me to explain. In the fight against terrorism and insurgency, there’s something called low intensity conflicts which is characterised by use of special forces, or small highly capable lightly armed infantry teams. These terrorists don’t have uniforms, bases or anything that will differentiate them from a civillian. They hide among them and this makes targetting difficult. Here is where intelligence comes in. Gathering raw facts and data from the field and passing it on to analysts.

Once the intelligence is processed and potential targets identified, in comes surveillance, where targets are watched closely to find out if they pose a threat. Phones are tapped, radio communications are intercepted in order to decode what is happening and whether the target is a valid threat.

Then comes reconnaissance. Reconnaissance is a mission to obtain information by visual observation or other detection methods, about the activities and resources of the target, or about the meteorologic, hydrographic, or geographic characteristics of a particular area. In military operations, is the exploration outside an area occupied by friendly forces to gain information about natural features and enemy presence. With all this info, when it comes time to prosecute, the acting agents do not just go in blind and suffer injuries or even death before they complete the mission.

Now, all this takes time and can literally take hours, or days and there’s several ways it can be done. By satellite, which we don’t have, by long range aircraft, which we have but since they are few, are diverted to other immediate tasks, by aerostats (huge balloons that float into the atmosphere) which we are buying, by drones which we dont have, and by ground troops which we have but is very risky to put them in harms way.

So from those that we have, they are needed elsewhere. We don’t have the complete infrastructure required for drones since we don’t have satelites. What do we do? Get manned planes.

Now, there’s also something called close air support. This is where an aircraft supports troops in contact by firing on the enemy. Helicopters can do it, but they are slow and can’t hang around for long. Jets can do it, but they are inadequate (too fast, targeting is an issue and also can’t hang around for long.) The best are slow moving aircraft that can loiter for long periods of time.

Now, what the deal is for is the AT-802L which combines all the above mission sets. It can fulfill the same missions as a drone while carrying 3 tonnes of weapons.

What the congressmen are proposing is the AT-802U, which is a close air support aircraft first, other missions will require upgrades to the plane, which cost money.

So here, KDF is killing several birds with one stone.

Also, the congressmen did not account for the weapons, training, spares and support that are a part of the original deal. They are giving figure for the planes alone. An aircraft is but a dud without the above mentioned materials. And you know pilot training isn’t cheap. Atleast 50 of those will be needed to make sure 14 aircraft are used optimally (2 crew per aircraft and their subs)

Also, research on military industrial congressional triangle to understand why there’s so much noise.

[magreb]

@Jazzman

Allow me to explain. In the fight against terrorism and insurgency, there’s something called low intensity conflicts which is characterised by use of special forces, or small highly capable lightly armed infantry teams. These terrorists don’t have uniforms, bases or anything that will differentiate them from a civillian. They hide among them and this makes targetting difficult. Here is where intelligence comes in. Gathering raw facts and data from the field and passing it on to analysts.

Once the intelligence is processed and potential targets identified, in comes surveillance, where targets are watched closely to find out if they pose a threat. Phones are tapped, radio communications are intercepted in order to decode what is happening and whether the target is a valid threat.

Then comes reconnaissance. Reconnaissance is a mission to obtain information by visual observation or other detection methods, about the activities and resources of the target, or about the meteorologic, hydrographic, or geographic characteristics of a particular area. In military operations, is the exploration outside an area occupied by friendly forces to gain information about natural features and enemy presence. With all this info, when it comes time to prosecute, the acting agents do not just go in blind and suffer injuries or even death before they complete the mission.

Now, all this takes time and can literally take hours, or days and there’s several ways it can be done. By satellite, which we don’t have, by long range aircraft, which we have but since they are few, are diverted to other immediate tasks, by aerostats (huge balloons that float into the atmosphere) which we are buying, by drones which we dont have, and by ground troops which we have but is very risky to put them in harms way.

So from those that we have, they are needed elsewhere. We don’t have the complete infrastructure required for drones since we don’t have satelites. What do we do? Get manned planes.

Now, there’s also something called close air support. This is where an aircraft supports troops in contact by firing on the enemy. Helicopters can do it, but they are slow and can’t hang around for long. Jets can do it, but they are inadequate (too fast, targeting is an issue and also can’t hang around for long.) The best are slow moving aircraft that can loiter for long periods of time.

Now, what the deal is for is the AT-802L which combines all the above mission sets. It can fulfill the same missions as a drone while carrying 3 tonnes of weapons.

What the congressmen are proposing is the AT-802U, which is a close air support aircraft first, other missions will require upgrades to the plane, which cost money.

So here, KDF is killing several birds with one stone.

Also, the congressmen did not account for the weapons, training, spares and support that are a part of the original deal. They are giving figure for the planes alone. An aircraft is but a dud without the above mentioned materials. And you know pilot training isn’t cheap. Atleast 50 of those will be needed to make sure 14 aircraft are used optimally (2 crew per aircraft and their subs)

Also, research on military industrial congressional triangle to understand why there’s so much noise.

Good points. Copy all but would a child understand what you typed?

[Jazzman]

@magreb

Good points. Copy all but would a child understand what you typed?

Why would a child need to understand the complexities of war instead of concentrating on education?

[magreb]

@Jazzman

Why would a child need to understand the complexities of war instead of concentrating on education?

Knowledge is power. Hukusikia hio nursery?