Uncle Tom namaliswa.

Interesting. Very interesting.

I would care to know from which website this information is being peddled. Must be those fringe backwater conspiracy websites… loony sites.

Because, getting my recent information from your favourite lamestream media sources, I know that it is only in the 60’s that these shifts started. Thats like just 60 years ago. To put it into perspective Kenya got its independence just 59 years ago. Many of those alive then are still alive now, as we chat.

America has been a country for 246 odd years. Do the math to know how long democrats have been anti african. Almost 2 centuries!! 2 centuries of hate and racism to be whitewashed and explained away. Ati “they changed so now they must love us!”

[SIZE=6]GOP Rep Introduced Bill to Ban Democratic Party for Past Support of Slavery[/SIZE]
https://www.newsweek.com › gop-rep-introduced-bill-ban-democratic-party-past-support-slavery-1520152

23 Jul 2020. It’s true that early in its history, the Democratic Party supported slavery and the Confederacy and largely opposed the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Democratic voters in the south also founded the white supremacist Ku Klux Klan terrorist group in 1865…While Republicans largely supported abolishing slavery before, during and after the U.S. Civil War, both parties underwent a major shift during the 60s-era administration of Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson.

Even fakenews cnn attempts to tackle this issue but deftly sidesteps the ideological shift and dwell mostly on geographical changes. Changes since the 1960’s.

They skirt around the race issue. This is a stain that will never leave the democratic party. Like I said, some facts are too hard. Its too inconvenient a truth, its best to leave them in situ. Look for other areas to counter attack.

[SIZE=6]Yes, Republicans freed the slaves. They were NOT these Republicans.[/SIZE]
https://www.cnn.com › 2020 › 08 › 27 › politics › what-matters-august-26 › index.html
27 Aug 2020
So it was factually true and sounded good in real time when Clarence Henderson, a Black man who marched for civil rights in the 1960s and now supports Trump, said this Wednesday night during the convention:
"I’m a Republican. And I support Donald Trump. If that sounds strange, you don’t know your history. It was the Republican Party that passed the 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery. It was the Republican Party that passed the 14th Amendment, giving Black men citizenship. It was the Republican Party that passed the 15th Amendment, giving Black men the right to vote. "

That’s true! But he missed the second part, about the fight over civil rights in the '60s and the dramatic party realignment that’s happened since then.

FDR was a progressive. A democrat in 1930. The shift had started by now, but it was not a flip of the switch.

The flip only completed when the Republican party went full bigoted.

1930 unatoa wapi that newsweek and cnn could not find?

Sema 1960’s. Even then up to 1964 they democrats were still opposing black africans, and were against the civil rights act of 1964 - according to newsweek.

You have a comprehension problem. The realignment started happening long before 1960s.
It only completed in the 60s.
By this time, all remaining pro-slavery, pro-Jim Crow Democrats had decamped. Their ‘values’ didn’t align with negroes being treated equally.

Enda usome hapa. You might learn something. - https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/BAIC/Historical-Essays/Keeping-the-Faith/Party-Realignment--New-Deal/

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Dont start with personalised attacks Mr. @Kennedy Maina. We´ve been through that severally before coincidentally ending with you taking sabbaticals. :D:D:D

Anyway, that website simply talks about the years. Do not loose sight of the fact that it establishes that the black voters were very hesitant to vote for the democratic party.

"The coloured voters cannot help but feel that in voting the democratic ticket in national elections they will be voting to give their indorsement [sic] and their approval to every wrong of which they are victims, every right of which they are deprived, and every injustice of which they suffer. "

Priceless quote. So what are we really diverging from again? The democratic party has been the party of oppression of the african american. Hapo hatupingani.

So are you saying that blacks owe their allegiance to white people because of the favor the whites have been doing to blacks since emancipation?

You should go read the white supremacist(defacto extension of the current republican chieth) manifesto and see how they perceive your black asses.

The way you perceived life 10 years ago isn’t the same way you do today. Things change and so do people change opinions.

Expecting blacks to show allegiance to whites because of agreements/ favors done more than 100 years ago is same as wiping your ass with same tissue expecting it to be cleaner. I hate to write much but I had to because of the emotions you triggered in me. Much respect…

:D:D:D:D I understand your frustration. This chaos in emotion is much. Happens when unpalatable truths get brought out unpadded. Cognitive dissonance aint no joke!

But no. I have said nothing of the sort. I think there is no need for me to respond to anything after what I have highlighted in your statement. Mimi sijaenda huko kwenye umeshafika. Na sikuji. :D:D

All I have said is that the democratic party has been insanely anti african for more years than it has been ‘pro african’. Nothing can compare to slavery.

And the crimes against humanity the democratic party has done against africans is a bazillion times worse than what their opponents have ever done. Much worse, the kind of crimes that any sane person today will be triggered by!

Blacks trooped to the Democratic party when they realized that was not their father’s Republican party.
It was similar in ideals to the Democratic party of Lincoln’s time.

You want to say all blacks in America are stupid to associate themselves with Democrat’s? They live there and they can see the lesser of the two evils.

Example: A prominent former cabinet secretary shut down school community centers in black neighborhoods in favor of Charter schools run by the rich white folks - Trump former education cabinet secretary (Devos or something) . You think blacks don’t see these kind of stuffs?

Omsakhulu, I have said nothing of the sort. I’m merely bringing out the history of your favorite party. A party that until recently was anti African in worse ways than merely shutting down a community center.

The anguish and pain our forefathers went thru cannot be compared to anything. Or for that matter explained away by politicians seeking personal political power.

That is the irony, friend.

When talking about the history of the Democratic party, unfortunately you will not start at 1930. Or 1960. You will have to go back further than that. And embrace it! Cuddle it!

Be in bed with your oppressors. Who shipped your kind from their continent and made them endure the shackle, the rack, the dungeon, the flame, the whip. Who made your kind worship them then as white gods, now as saviors from white folk.

Mzito lakini why are you obsessed with deals that were made when zinjathropus were walking on this earth? You don’t want to see things beyond 1700’s! If you go by that… then why are Republicans policies anti-blacks these days?

You have lost your mind. So blacks should do what? Form their own party?

Because they either choose the party that was their oppressor 150 years ago, or the party that is oppressing them today.

Omsakhulu, I fail to register the aversion you have against history. Those things happened bana. They are not fiction. Real human beings did those things to real human beings.

I repeat that all I have done is to bring to light what happened. I have not suggested or hinted to interpret it. :D:D:D:D

They are waiting for me to tell them what to do? :D:D:D:D

I agree with you that they did happen. Hata huko kwa akina @Kahuni Maisha - Federal Way which is in Washington state, George Washington who the state was named after, was senior Democrat and had slaves even past emancipation. So yeah we gerrit but msito you and I have sparred back and forth regarding this issue so sio leo… you are a pro Trump guy.

So let’s cut the story short,do you believe your current MAGA Republicans are pro-Africans Americans or anti. Have MTG (Marjorie Taylor Green) and Steve Banon ( king of White Nationalist) in mind as you ponder this question.