Mzichi
October 24, 2020, 8:38am
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Dunya:
The truth of the matter is that mp’s are more enlightened and educated than the masses who are swayed by populist announcements during campaigns. The average voter in Kenya under universal suffrage is as thick as a door knob especially due to poverty. And these are the majority and politicians know this. Thats why developing countries elect bad leaders continously for years. Moi took advantage of that for 24 years. Its very difficult to see a leader rule for more than a term in a parliamentary system unless they are really good eg Angela Merkel in Germany or Netanyahu in Israel. Reason is you are dealing with a small group of educated people called parliament and not a foolish masses that you will meet in five years. You may use money but disagreements will always be there and these will keep you in check or else your govt falls. Remember in the same parliament there will be the official opposition mp’s, the independents, the special interest groups mp’s and the ruling party/coalition mp’s. You cannot buy everyone. Lakini wananchi wakikuchagua direct unawazungusha ukijua mtaonana after 5 years wakati utakuwa umeiba uko na pesa na uongo mpya
You are conflating book education with morality…
That’s wrong
In Kenya, since independence, the country has been run by the educated…
The problems in Kenya have not been caused by the poor masses, it’s the rich elites.
You think thank these thieving MPs will steal less when given more power?
You are so condescending… The poor masses are stupid blah blah blah
Dunya
October 24, 2020, 1:03pm
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Mzichi:
You are conflating book education with morality…
That’s wrong
In Kenya, since independence, the country has been run by the educated…
The problems in Kenya have not been caused by the poor masses, it’s the rich elites.
You think thank these thieving MPs will steal less when given more power?
You are so condescending… The poor masses are stupid blah blah blah
Im just stating facts. Its so easy to take advantage of the masses majority who are dirt poor by giving them a few lies and tokens. Thats what Moi did, Kenyattas and now Ruto. Masses will never make a right decision, if they did they would vote for a clean new person every time. But confuse them slightly with a tribal angle, or hustler vs dynasties, or our people are being taken to hague, or harambee nyayo etc they will vote for the same corrupt politicians over and over again especially the president and complain for the next five years. A strong parliamentary system works very well. The govt of the day can be felled even in three months if they dont perform or have a major scandal.
Mzichi
October 24, 2020, 1:17pm
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Dunya:
Im just stating facts. Its so easy to take advantage of the masses majority who are dirt poor by giving them a few lies and tokens. Thats what Moi did, Kenyattas and now Ruto. Masses will never make a right decision, if they did they would vote for a clean new person every time. But confuse them slightly with a tribal angle, or hustler vs dynasties, or our people are being taken to hague, or harambee nyayo etc they will vote for the same corrupt politicians over and over again especially the president and complain for the next five years. A strong parliamentary system works very well. The govt of the day can be felled even in three months if they dont perform or have a major scandal.
Who says the masses made the wrong decision picking Uhuru over RAO?
I say that was pretty damn good a decision. RAO and Uhuru’s BBI is another attempt at some super elitist families to own the country.
Hustler vs Dynasty is true from this country’s inception
Mzichi
October 24, 2020, 1:20pm
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Mzichi:
Who says the masses made the wrong decision picking Uhuru over RAO?
I say that was pretty damn good a decision. RAO and Uhuru’s BBI is another attempt at some super elitist families to own the country.
Hustler vs Dynasty is true from this country’s inception
Power belongs to the people. Buying millions of Kenyans is harder than buying a handful of MPs
And quick question, would you trust the current MPs to pick the President for you?
If the answer is yes, good luck with that…
Dyson
October 24, 2020, 1:36pm
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Shida ya election Kenya itaisha when this bugger retires or dies, every election kutoka time za Moi ndio analeta shida, there were times when it was beneficial but now he needs to go, yaani kila election lazima alete shida, now he wants you to implement his own solutions to his own problems
Dunya
October 24, 2020, 1:41pm
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Mzichi:
Power belongs to the people. Buying millions of Kenyans is harder than buying a handful of MPs
And quick question, would you trust the current MPs to pick the President for you?
If the answer is yes, good luck with that…
That power belongs to the people does not necessarily mean that power MUST be to elect a president. They elect representatives because we all cannot fit into parliament to articulate our issues. Heck even the president is elected as a representative because we all cant fit in state house. Whether a leader of govt is elected by the people or by parliament, a bad leader is a bad leader. The difference here is that under parliamentary system its much easier to remove such a leader and give that chance to someone else. Under presidential system its virtually impossible. Again it does away with the politics of voting mtu wetu. You only need to elect a good capable leader at your local level without bothering to know who your neighbours are voting for. Its simple really
Mzichi
October 24, 2020, 2:21pm
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Dunya:
That power belongs to the people does not necessarily mean that power MUST be to elect a president. They elect representatives because we all cannot fit into parliament to articulate our issues. Heck even the president is elected as a representative because we all cant fit in state house. Whether a leader of govt is elected by the people or by parliament, a bad leader is a bad leader. The difference here is that under parliamentary system its much easier to remove such a leader and give that chance to someone else. Under presidential system its virtually impossible. Again it does away with the politics of voting mtu wetu. You only need to elect a good capable leader at your local level without bothering to know who your neighbours are voting for. Its simple really
Would you have trusted the current parliament to choose your president?
This borrowing of systems is lunacy. Aren’t there presidential systems working all around the world?
Mzichi
October 24, 2020, 2:25pm
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Dunya:
That power belongs to the people does not necessarily mean that power MUST be to elect a president. They elect representatives because we all cannot fit into parliament to articulate our issues. Heck even the president is elected as a representative because we all cant fit in state house. Whether a leader of govt is elected by the people or by parliament, a bad leader is a bad leader. The difference here is that under parliamentary system its much easier to remove such a leader and give that chance to someone else. Under presidential system its virtually impossible. Again it does away with the politics of voting mtu wetu. You only need to elect a good capable leader at your local level without bothering to know who your neighbours are voting for. Its simple really
In said Parliamentary system, how do we ensure all people get equal representation?
I mean if my constituency has 20,000 people and yours has 200,000 people, are our MPs votes equal?
Do you see why each Kenyan has to choose the President?
Dunya
October 25, 2020, 2:03pm
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Mzichi:
In said Parliamentary system, how do we ensure all people get equal representation?
I mean if my constituency has 20,000 people and yours has 200,000 people, are our MPs votes equal?
Do you see why each Kenyan has to choose the President?
Anywhere there is a big population means more constituencies that’s why nairobi has several constituencies compared to say marsabit
I wouldn’t trust the MPs whose first debate is about their salaries, each time they are elected.
Mzichi
October 26, 2020, 9:21am
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So constituencies are strictly formed according to numbers?
You don’t know that constituencies vastly differ according to numbers?
Makadara’s population is about 10 times Garsen’s population
Will their MPs votes be equal?
Dunya
October 26, 2020, 9:36am
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Mzichi:
So constituencies are strictly formed according to numbers?
You don’t know that constituencies vastly differ according to numbers?
Makadara’s population is about 10 times Garsen’s population
Will their MPs votes be equal?
Those are thing that can be changed to reflect the optimal solution. Those countries that have a pure parliamentary system have overcome such challenges. Why do you seem like wale watu hufanya kila kitu ikae ngumu. My friend, parliamentary system in not a new system, its working all over the world and working very well. Only Africans have this fixation of voting for a president. Look where that mentality has gotten the continent
Mzichi
October 26, 2020, 9:44am
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Dunya:
Those are thing that can be changed to reflect the optimal solution. Those countries that have a pure parliamentary system have overcome such challenges. Why do you seem like wale watu hufanya kila kitu ikae ngumu. My friend, parliamentary system in not a new system, its working all over the world and working very well. Only Africans have this fixation of voting for a president. Look where that mentality has gotten the continent
So is the presidential system. It works fine al over the place.
It’s not the system that is wrong, it’s the underlying political climate
You don’t treat systems you treat diseases.
The idea that a Kenyan MP is somehow a better moral compass than the average Kenyan is just insane.
Mzichi
October 26, 2020, 9:47am
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Dunya:
Those are thing that can be changed to reflect the optimal solution. Those countries that have a pure parliamentary system have overcome such challenges. Why do you seem like wale watu hufanya kila kitu ikae ngumu. My friend, parliamentary system in not a new system, its working all over the world and working very well. Only Africans have this fixation of voting for a president. Look where that mentality has gotten the continent
What of countries that thrive under presidential systems… Of which there are so many more than the alternative
Dunya
October 26, 2020, 10:08am
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Well, in Kenya it has not worked very well or we wont be having this discussion. Also on the numbers do your research and while at it look at the progressiveness of countries and their system and you will be surprised
Mzichi
October 26, 2020, 12:26pm
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If we had a parliamentary system we would be having this discussion in favor of a presidential system.
It’s not the system. We could have a Monarch as succeed. The problem is the underlying political climate.
What type of parliamentary system do you think would work best for Kenya?
Give me a country… Not all parliamentary systems are equal or similar.
Kuma ukiosha kastama watakuja. Pesa za kununua unga utapata.
Dunya
October 28, 2020, 7:39am
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Mzichi:
If we had a parliamentary system we would be having this discussion in favor of a presidential system.
It’s not the system. We could have a Monarch as succeed. The problem is the underlying political climate.
What type of parliamentary system do you think would work best for Kenya?
Give me a country… Not all parliamentary systems are equal or similar.
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Dunya
October 28, 2020, 7:41am
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