Ukraine Update : The Winter War

Putin is begining to smell the Coffee …
The 72 Hour “Special Military Operation” has just turned into a 1 Year Nightmare …
And the End is not as predicted by “Talking Heads” , “ArmChair Strategists” , Apologists and Assorted Juvenile Morons in here …

War is serious business and both sides in this conflict are taking heavy Manpower losses and in the case of Ukraine , massive Infrastructure damage and displacement of its Citizens …
But …
The Difference compared to ALL Putin inspired and engineered past Conflicts Is that the Citizens and Leadership of Ukraine are standing firm and still united in facing this Russian aggression and are DETERMINED to prevail …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttLYlHJfaAg

The performance of Ukraine Forces so far has defied ALL earlier predictions and the combined efforts of the Russian Regular Army , Conscripts , Wagnar , Chechans and Regional Separatist Elements in the occupied territories have yet to deliver any major surprises …

In short , the so-called “Msito” Putin is getting his butt kicked …
And worse is on the way this Summer with the arrival of Tanks , AFVs , Missiles and Attillery donated by the USA and NATO …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1hgb6xQNTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BTmVX3eUBU

And lets be realistc …
No one is interested in Invading or taking over any Sovereign Russian territory …
[ … that would be a mammoth task frought with serious consequences …]
Ukraine just want Putin and his forces out of ALL Ukraine Sovereign territory [… including Crimea , Luhansk and Donetsk …] and thereafter a Ceaesefire of all Hostilities againt Ukraine …

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Heard NATO talking about the possible delivery of F16 Fighter Jets, Abram M1 and Leopard 2 tanks. The issue is though how long will it take the Ukraine Forces to train on their use and maintance ? This is hardware that is largely new to them given their Soviet historical past. Don’t you think they will need at least 6 months or so to aquint themselves with new battle tactics and weapon systems ? Isn’t that duration going to jeopardize their position ? That is the reason why our very own KDF, BATUK, US Marines and any other Military Unit worth it’s salt conduct training manouvres all the time in different terranes. Another issue is the munitions and Spares that shall accompany the hardware is so varied that the logistics plus supply chains must be very well thought out …

Utapata training has already been ongoing before wapate tanks. Na hapo ni cliff notes version. Ama embed an SME with the Ukraine units.

Lakini this whole thing feels like it’s about to go off the cliff. Putin akiona anakuwa cornered atarusha kombora ama aanze chemical warfare kama Assad. It’s gonna be an interesting year.

Copied and Agreed …it will be interesting to see how NATO delivers the equipment to the front line let alone utilise it without Russian interference (i.e. thru “Contested Logistics”). Having different equipment from the US, Germany, France and the UK will mean having at least 4 different supply lines from these or other friendly nations. A fighting tank requires constant maintenance and requires spares, fuel & a dedicated maintenance crew behind them. Having at least 4 different supply lines that are likely to utilise rail and motorable roads as conveyance across Ukraine makes this a vulnerable option thru aerial attacks. Cut this off and what u have is a very expensive group of sitting ducks at the Frontline. The lack of logistical aptitude and poor supply lines has not only prolonged the war for Russia but actually is one of the key reasons why Russia had to retreat just before the harsh winter set in …this has made them desperate and could box Putin into an unforseen corner

Just like Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein before him , Putin started this Invasion on wrong premises and really questionable "advise [ …or lack thereof …] from his minions and Oligarchs …

And just like all other Tyrants before him , he will press on until the very end , regardless of what any of his "advisors " tell him …
It is more of a personal crusade for him , whereas it is a matter of National Survival for Ukraine …

Just like the Israelis , Ukranians are a smart bunch of people faced with adversity …

In those circumstances , one learns , adapts and improvises very quickly out of pure neccessity …

  • Commercial USD: 800 GO-Pro Drones for surveillance , recon , targetting , and light bombing duties.
  • 4 X 4 commercial pick-up trucks modified as Mortar Carriers , Heavy Machine Guns , Anti-Armour and MANPADS platforms.
  • ATVs and Motor Cycles for quick manouvers thru Forests and areas without road networks.
  • Small , Highly Mobile Light Recon and Sniper Units to engage , ambush and disrupt Russian Convoys , Depots and Supply Chains.

If Osama Bin Laden’s Al Quaeda in Afghanistan were able to effectively utilize Advanced Western Stinger MANPADS and other sophistcated gear during the Soviet Invasion , why would the far better trained and organized Ukraine Army have any difficulties …???

Meanwhile , Putin’s forces are struggling with Old School Tactics and Methods to prosecute the Invasion …

Lol. When? What is he waiting for?

The Quickest way to end this Invasion is to remove Putin and his Inner Circle from power …
But that is for Russians themselves to decide …
There are aready serveral surpressed “Democratic” and change entities in various corners of Russia just waiting for the moment …

With his departure , Russia will quickly change for the better for all its citizens …

Game bado ni changa. Whatever the outcome do u think Putin expected to be fighting in Ukraine a year later? He probably thought it would be a repeat of Crimea with Nato opting for sanctions rather than military support.

Putin habaduki Dr. and russia is not fighting Ukraine , its fighting the west vita ya ukraine iliisha kitambo , they are now fighting America , France , Germany and F NATO. VIVA RUSKY .

At this point there must be western Special Forces embedded with Ukrainians. No way they can have a crash course of those equipments with advanced computer systems &electronics and be able to effectively utilize them on the battlefield .

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[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][SIZE=6]It is ENTIRE NATO Vs Russia[/SIZE]

I believe many tactical teams have been in Ukraine, for and against Ukraine.

Elders are talking …
Listen Up …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbzf0ix2G5I

You seem blind to the Chechans , Syrians , Wagner , Iran and North Korean assistance involved in this conflict …

As far as can be PROVEN , no Special Forces of ANY NATO nation are yet to be killed or captured , so that is clearly speculation on your part …

**NB:
Imagine the damage that a small force of SEALS and SAS can inflict on a bunch of Mercenaries and half trained Conscripts unwilling to fight … :D:D

This is a conflict with the potential of boiling over into something much worse …
And only Putin seems to want it …

IF NATO were to seriously get involved in a CONVENTIONAL War with Russia INSIDE Ukraine , it would last less than 2 weeks …

And IF NATO SERIOUSLY had to take Putin out of the picture , all it would take is 1 well aimed Conventional Bunker Busting Cruise Missile …

Well ..
Good Luck to you all …

If after 1 whole year he cannot defeat a small Nation of 40 million and 200K Defence force …

Trying to take on NATO with all it’s capabilities will end the same way it did with Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein … :D:D

@rexxsimba i just love how america brought democracy and prosperity to iraq, afghanistan na libya.

Right now america is bringing democracy to evil russia through ukraine.

America should also take democracy to china dont you think.

Celinesky alisema putin might be dead, i saw it on cnn, it was reported in other main stream media houses also.

Our love for america will be undying @rexxsimba, whenever i read your posts, you always give me hope that somebody has not forgotten our lord and saviour, the white man.

I know about this very well, including the fact that Wagner chaps are reported to somehow be in possession of more sophisticated weaponry than the average Russian forces or even tactical teams in some case.

Those weapons are being sent together with technical teams to teach, monitor and possibly destroy the damaged ones that cannot be salvaged before Russians can reach them and assess them. Tactical teams do this destruction and not just anyone out there.

Those small forces are great in battle, not infallible. The Black Hawk incident in Somali tells it all. The Seal team dropped to guard that chopper never made it out alive. The skinnies dealt with them mercilessly. I know two highly trained individuals cannot beat hundreds of poorly trained skinnies who are bent on killing them… attrition takes a lot more than special skills to beat.

True true! I don’t know if it can get worse than it already has… I doubt.

Speculation. Traditionally, such wars are not meant to be won. They are fashioned for business. US and NATO nations “market” their weapons by “donating” them and gauging their efficacy in real war. Prospective buyers like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Brunei and such buy them after seeing for themselves how good they are in actual battle. China wends people to those countries and copies the various technologies for own use later. People think that the US lost Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Those buggers were in those places to test and market their products. If at all they win the war, that is just a plus. Those countries DON’T ever need to win war. They make too much money out of them to ever want them to end.

Removing Putin from power is the goal. Bombing him is farfetched but not an impossible thing. It just won’t happen. Strongly doubt it.

History teaches us that in war nothing is impossible. During the Korean War in the 50s for example Soviet Fighter Pilots covertly flew Mig 15s for the North Korean cause and were sworn to suicide rather than capture should their mission abort …This only came to light many decades later after the end of the cold war :D:D:D[ATTACH=full]492953[/ATTACH]

These famous Wagnar Misfits are just hardend Criminals , Murderers and lowlifes with NIL discipline , professionaism or skills …
They don’t seem very effective in Combat …
Typically , they force Conscripts into Mass Human Wave Attacks and they follow behind killing any cowards or defectors …
This is no way to fight a modern War …

After this mess , the ICC and Ukraine Justice Ministry will be looking into War Crimes Tribunals for Genocide and Rape …
I look forward to enjoying all those Firing Squads and Hangings …

My own belief is Russians will tire of Putin and remove him from power soon …
His 2 Daughters , mistress and Extended family are already living quietly in Switzerland [ … which shows his great confidence in his War … ] :D:D

Payback is on the way this comming Summer …

SLAVA UKRAINE … !!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGoZ9L4Usk8