Types of civilisations :The Kardashev scale

The Kardashev Scale was originally developed by the Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev in 1964. He looked at the advancement of humanity’s need for energy, and then just extrapolated when what our future energy demands would look like – and how they’d be supplied.

He broke them into three types. A Type I civilization would have complete and total mastery over all the energy of its planet. A Type II civilization would be masters of all the energy produced by their home star, and a Type III civilization would own all the energy in their home galaxy.

In 1964, Russian astrophysicist Nikolai Kardashev figured that civilizations can be categorized by the total amount of energy available to them. He defined three levels of civilizations based on their capacity to harness and use power. These have since been expanded by another four (in light of the increasingly wild speculations spawned by marrying mathematics and theoretical physics).

The Kardashev Scale, as it is called, now lists 7 levels of civilizations based on their power consumption, and implicitly on their technological advancement and extension.

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[SIZE=5]Type 0[/SIZE]
A civilization that harnesses the energy of its home planet, but not to its full potential just yet.

As you might have guessed, that’s our good old human selves. We’re currently at about 0.73 on the Kardashev Scale. It is presumed we’ll reach type I in about 100 years, give or take, depending on how fast our technology advances and how diligently we procreate.

[SIZE=5]Type I[/SIZE]
A civilization that is capable of harnessing the total energy of its home planet.

This is where we’re heading, whether we want it or not. The good part would be that we’d achieve an ultimate peak, the bad part is that we’d then soon have more energy demand than supply, because evolution can’t be so easily halted. We’d have to leave Earth and start pumping other planets for their worth, or even milk our own star directly for its power.

Regardless, becoming a type I civilization is overall a good thing. At least in fiction.

As a type I civilization, we would be capable of controlling Earth entirely. Maybe even influence the weather, control volcanic eruptions and earthquakes, influence global flora and fauna, geological makeup, plate tectonics, etc. That’s pretty awesome! On the flipside, we’d have to recycle everything to get by.

[SIZE=5]Type II[/SIZE]
An interstellar civilization, capable of harnessing the total energy output of a star.

This is the next stage in the evolution of a civilization, and presumes a level of technological development that allows for gigantic constructions and utmost efficiency. Dyson structures come to mind here, which are gigantic constructs meant to harness the energy of stars.

I imagine a type II civilization would not just built these megastructures, but also inhabit them and completely control what goes on inside them. It would control the orbit of all planets in that system, harvest asteroids and comets at its leisure, and basically consume the entire solar system. An intimidating power to behold.

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[SIZE=5]Type III[/SIZE]
A galactic civilization, capable of inhabiting and harnessing the energy of an entire galaxy.

Here we start to venture into truly sexy science-fiction territory. Or am I the only one getting all flushed and tingly at imagining this scale of evolution? fans herself

A type III civilization would span the entire galaxy, colonizing and controlling numerous systems. It would be able to harness, store and use the energy output of all stars within that galaxy. Such a civilization would use planets like building blocks, being able to move planets from one solar system to other, merge solar systems, merge stars, absorb supernovae, and even create stars. The galaxy is their playground, and everything in it becomes a toy. Even galactic cat shit, if accidentally dug out. Probably here on Earth.

[SIZE=5]Type IV[/SIZE]
A universal civilization, capable of harnessing the energy of the whole universe.

This civilization would be supergalactic, able to travel throughout the entire universe and consume the energy output of several—possibly all—galaxies. Think of that real estate size!

It would also be capable of projects of gargantuan proportions, such as manipulating space-time and tinkering with entropy, thus reaching immortality on a grand scale. An essentially indestructible and highly utopian civilization.

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[SIZE=5]Type V[/SIZE]
A multiverse culture, capable of harnessing the energy of multiple universes.

Welcome to metaphysics! Leave your common sense at the door, and count your strings before entering.

No doubt a child of the increased popularity of string theory, the type V civilization would outgrow its own universe. It would span countless parallel universes, being able to manipulate the very structure of reality.

Find that hard to imagine in practical terms? You’re not alone. We’re all friends here. Have a cookie.

[SIZE=5]Type VI[/SIZE]
Even more abstract is the type VI civilization. The type VI exists outside of time and space, and is capable of creating universes and multiverses, and destroying them just as easily. It’s similar in concept to a deity.

It’s hard to imagine a story with such a civilization, since its perfection and indestructible nature would offer little conflict potential. Unless, of course, you’re a lower type civilization waiting to be chewed, swallowed, and digested by one such type VI monstrosity. Recipe for paraversal tragedy.

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Hii kitu is outdated. Harnessing Dyson Spheres ati building gigantic structures wont work. Harnissing the power of the atom is the way create power. Something like a nuclear reactor the size of a soccer ball. Not ati building giant solar panels called Dyson spheres

In essence nuclear energy is an advancement of the steam energy manenos. The future is in generating energy thru magnetism.

Alrighty then, what type of civilization is the Marvel Universe then?

I disagree. Combustion technology is and advancement of steam.

When I talk of nuclear energy I dont mean the way it is used today i.e fission reactors to produce steam like we have in nuclear reactors on ships, but using Nuclear Fusion directly like we have in RTGS but more advanced:

Radioisotope thermoelectric generator - Wikipedia

Also scientists have theorized matter-antimatter generators.

The point is energy sources wont get bigger like Dyson Spheres, but will get smaller as knowledge is gained on how to use atomic matter more precisely. Hii mambo of using the energy of a whole galaxy doesnt make sense. Even today a few kilograms of radioactive stuff can power a warship for like 20years. If we however use fuel like diesel, think how many thousands of tons it would take to power it for 20yrs.

So in essence, with a few kilograms or even a few hundred kilograms of atomic matter, we may be able to power the entire human race for years or even decades. Hii mambo ati looking for stuff to harness the power of a sun instead of harnassing the power that the sun itself derives its energy ni upuss.

@Coronatities what do you think? Does this njaruo love you or not? Is he worth your time?

But you need electric energy for that.

What about tapping into The Earth Magnetic Field/ Geomagnetic Field.
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It can create instability resulting to random polar shifting which wiped the Mayan civilization

We are talking about the demand for energy as measure of development. The sun is a big nuclear fusion power plant. What the sun produces in seconds can never be achieved on earth. Hapo umekwamia na power plant is fully developed type 0.

Part of harnessing earth’s resources. Right now we harness it for navigation. Maybe in future we may use it for energy though inakaa too much effort.

Hadn’t Nikolai Tesla started working on it, remember free energy for all ? Things came to a halt when his financier asked him, if it was free , where was the meter to be placed ?

Hehe, Tesla was on another level. Lakini remember this is a very small amount of energy he could produce compared to what the sun can give.
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When you talk of needing to harness the sun, first of all, we will be a multiplanetary species. Travelling to planets will be kudandia matatu, not a scientific expedition.

We will have very high energy equipment like really fast space ships e.t.c so this is basically very far into the future.

The scale talks of “harnessing the power of a sun” and throws Dyson Spheres into the mix.

My point is we will never harness energy in this way. It will be done from matter/antimatter probably at the atomic scale which are known to contain a tremendous amount of energy. As I said, harnessing energy in this way, we would probably need just a few kilos of matter to fullfill worldwide power needs for years or even decades. And far into the future these power sources will be portable so that they can easily be used anywhere.

Even if we spread throughout the entire galaxy or even multiple galaxies, our energy needs will still be small relatively speaking. Consider a few kilograms of matter/antimatter can power our entire planet for decades.

Bratha hii ujuzi uko nayo ni theoretical na ni poa sana si you take it to the next level of moving it from the theoretical realm to the practical application.

Where can we apply these atomic energy in day to day use to move Kenya forward while hiring as many jobless youths as possible?

Because there is no point of discussing imaginary things that can’t be applied locally in Kenya or Africa. Have we harnessed solar power to the max?

Hii ni thread ya theorectical scale my fren. Ukitaka kuongeza ugali kwa sahani yako basi enda kwa thread ya corruption uvurutane mashati na @Sambamba

I thought the Mayans took the same route as the Bachwezi ?

If you consider the ease of getting energy with our most accesible technology, then fusion is the next big thing, and then the sun. Because if we can contain fusion reactions then by extension we can contain the sun’s reaction. Fusion pekee imelemea watu for the past close to 60years or so. Anti matter and dark matter hata hatujui kuishika. This will be harnessed way into the future after fusion. Labda we will be kama type 3 civilization.

Saa unakasirika juu nimeuliza how you can apply what you are talking about there in Nyeri or Kitale?

Juu ukweli ni kwamba probably hujawai kanyaga nuclear power facility. Hizo vitu unaita sijui anti matter hata hujui zinakaa aje. Hio mazungumzo ni tamu sana but haina mwelekeo. :smiley:

Na sisemi kwa ubaya. As you were.

So you believe Dyson Spheres can work?

Hio sio kukasirika. Nakudirect to threads where hizo discussions can take place.

Wewe unajulikana. Kazi yako ni kukojolea thread. Ni kama unapata perverse pleasure from it.

Na nasema kwa ubaya :smiley: .Dismissed.