SWALI : How come You Africans were still in the tribal era when the Europeans came to West Africa ?

[B]If Africans were so experienced with having civilized communities, how come they were still in the tribal era when the Europeans came to West Africa?[/B]

[SIZE=4]Define tribal ?[/SIZE]

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Africans nor Europeans are a monolith. Different regions on each continent developed at different times. The conquest of Africa involved a huge disinformation campaign which still has people believing in a hyperbolic view of African as backward. This is not true historically.
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Europe:
This is ancient Rome:

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Now here are early Celtic (Gaul’s):

Naked tribal people with shields, and spears/swords.
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[SIZE=5]Here are early Scottish Clans:[/SIZE]

Naked tribal people with shields, and spears/swords.
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The Sami people of Norway and Sweden:

Like most nomads, hunter and gathers they don’t build huge perminant structures they build only what they need:
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[SIZE=4]This is the Ancient Ghanaian Empire:[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=6]Kingdom of Kush [/SIZE][B][SIZE=6]Kingdom of Kush - Wikipedia[/SIZE][/B]

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The Mali Empire 1235 ad, Mali Empire - Wikipedia:
One of the Richest men of all time the King of Mali Empire Mansa Musa. Mansa Musa - Wikipedia
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There is also Timbuktu which was located in the Kingdom of Mali. Timbuktu was the Oxford University if its day. Timbuktu - Wikipedia (Timbuktu - Wikipedia)
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Aksumite Empire 80 bc, Aksum | Ethiopia:
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Blaauboschkraal stone ruins 72,984 BCE, Blaauboschkraal stone ruins - Wikipedia: Oldest man made site in the WORLD (Often called the African Stonehenge, this standing stone circle about 30 meters in diameter is estimated to be more than 75,000 years old. It is also the oldest known Calendar, it used the sun to track time.
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Great zimbabwe 17th century, Great Zimbabwe - Wikipedia
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Lalibela - Wikipedia :
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In contrast this is The Maasai tribe:
Like most nomads, hunter and gathers they don’t build huge perminant structures they build only what they need:
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Zulu Kingdom/Clans:
Naked tribal people with shields, and spears/swords.
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Ps. Note the origin of certain structures as well:
Kingdom of Aksum:
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Washington Monument:
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Timbuktu vs the Westminster Parliament building:

Mzungu come saw stole brainswash and destroyed what remained.

Something got twisted in the process

Tribes are just a grouping of people who speak a certain dialect. European countries are nothing but caucasian tribal districts: The Italian tribe: Italy. Language: Italian. Spanish, spain. French, France. Portuguese, Portugal. The Germans, Germany. The English, England. Ni tribes tu hizi, za wazungu. Some are Slavics eg russian, some are Latin based (which they fondly refer to as Romance languages:D)eg french, some are Germanic eg english. Just like Bantu eg wakamba, Nilotes eg luos, and Cushites eg somali are black tribes. Thing is, two wazungu tribes cannot live in one country, they will fight and split off. :smiley:

Weka zote

Two Wazungu tribes cannot live in one country.
Russia is home to 150 tribal groups, 70 of which are other Wazungu tribes be it the Karelians, Mari, Ukrainians, Chechens and the likes. The other 80 are Turkic(Yakuts, Kazakhs, those nomads in Dagestan), Asian(Somoyoeds, Tungus, Kalmyks, Tuvans) and half Asian (Tartars, Chuvash, Mordovins) ethnic groups.
Switzerland has three main ethnic groups, Germans occupy the North and Center, hence cities like Bern ,Zurich are German speaking, Geneva is in a french speaking canton. Italians also have a few cantons in the South and South East.
Spain is not one ethnic group. Spanish is basically Castilian , because it was Castilians who conquered most of the Spanish peninsula from the Muslims in the 14th Century. Spain is made up of Castilians in Madrid, Andalusians who speak a different dialect of Spanish (and look different too. The dark haired olive skinned Spaniard stereotype refers to Andalusians only. The other Spaniards look like any other person in Western Europe), Galicians, whose language’s closest relative is actually Irish and Scottish Gaelic, Catalonians who have been agitating for independence. Asturians, Aragonese, Leonese and Basques, whose language is the hardest on the planet because it is related to no language on earth and in fact dates back to when Neanderthals were still alive.
North Italians like the people of Piedmont, Lombardy and Veneto who include Germanic ancestry dating to the era of the fall of Rome, are not the same as the people of Central Italy who date to the Etruscans and Latins who established the Roman Empire who are also not the same as Southern Italians who are basically Greeks, who are not the same as Sicillians who are of Latin, Greek, Arab, Norman or Scandinavian , and a whole mix of people.
The French range from Roman settlers in the area around Marseilles and Southern France , Actual Italians in Nice, Scandinavians in Normandy who date to the invasions of Ragnar and his brother to Bretons whose closest relatives are the Scots, Irish and Welsh, not the Gauls who inhabit most of the interior of France or the Germanic settlers of North Eastern France who established Frankia and gave France its name.
The only region of Europe that has been ethnically homogeneous is maybe Denmark ,Southern Sweden and Southern Norway. Germans are NOT the same, High Germans in Bavaria speak different dialects of German that low Germans in Hamburg cannot understand. In fact, Bavaria often considers itself a separate entity from the rest of Germany.

Wueh! Hii ndio historia kamili ya makabila za wazungu. So it appears there are clans too? Ukisema castillians and andalusians speak dialects of spanish, dialect of german (bavaria), these are like clans of sorts. I think. But you have a point. Lets just say that European tribes are very tolerant of each other’s language and the are one big happy family.:smiley:

hio ndio maneno omwafrika hajui…

kila kitu iko kwa this ‘unclear’ WORLD HISTORY TIMELINE , this is according to written history , offcourse oral history goes back further., every civilisation is represented…from ya kina Horus in egypt , to ,ya kina yesu pale 1AD… songhai to minoan…

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Boss si una information tosha banae. Nimetii. On that note, I read that people in Ireland are still angry at what the English did to the native irish people centuries ago. They invaded Ireland and killed them in droves leading to the death of the Irish Gaeltic language (Similar to that spoken in Vikings). A large number of people in Ireland are mostly of English origin. No wonder they werent considered White like other Europeans.

since world history is already here , acha niweke hiiipee watu perspective… yesu ako hapo 1AD in the timeline…

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alafu horus is a negroe looking god as was the the population , enough said !

It is somehow connected to historical cycles.
Africa used to be the center of civilization and science in ancient times. Everybody knows about Egypt and scientific breakthroughs associated with this empire. People still wonder how ancient Egyptians managed to build such buildings as pyramids in the middle of a desert. That is really magnificent. However, something happened and european tribes started to develop faster and the center of civilization switched to Europe. However, Europe will not be the center of human intellectual development forever and, from my perspective, this center has already started movinf from Europe to the East, to China.

slavery , white supremacy happened… the european success came by expoloitation of african knowledge systems and resources… acha kusema something happened …ni vizuri kupeana the whole history !

the current democratic governance sytems and medical knowledge is said to have originated from greece or rome which is whitewashed cr*p… the greek learnt everything they knew from egypt… kwanza ata the greek philosophers ndio walisema wenyewe ati walisomea egypt… ni vizuri africans wajue hii maneno…

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Sandi sana

The Irish! Were also sold as slaves