South Africa Got Ahead Of All Other African Nations' Infrastructure Thanks To Dutchman's Management Prowess

When the Boers arrived in South Africa 400+ years ago there were no Zulus or Xhosas inhabiting that land. There were only sparse populations of Khoisans. They were quickly massacred by the Boars as the explored the land to mine gold.

South Africa would today be just like DRC had it not been for the brutal iron fist rule of the Boers. But still if they can manage their mineral wealth properly South Africa can be richer than Norway per capita. If you know about how rich Norway is then you know what I’m talking about. Norway is Heaven on Earth.

Best quality of life is enjoyed by Scandinavian countries. Denmark, Sweden, Norway. Holland is not among them but iko juu sana pia.

The land of the fjords ni heaven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCT-FurFVLQ:5

The Government Pension Fund of Norway comprises two entirely separate sovereign wealth funds owned by the government of Norway.
The Government Pension Fund Global, also known as the Oil Fund, was established in 1990 to invest the surplus revenues of the Norwegian petroleum sector. It has over US$1 trillion in assets, including 1.4% of global stocks and shares, making it the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund. [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][SIZE=6]In May 2018, it was worth about $195,000 per Norwegian citizen [/SIZE]It also holds portfolios of real estate and fixed-income investments. Many companies are excluded by the fund on ethical grounds.

[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][SIZE=5]When a child is born in Norway today that Child already has Ksh 19.5 Million in their NSSF Account Kenyan equivalent[/SIZE]

[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)][SIZE=5]Here in Kenya every newborn child has a debt of Ksh 130,000 owed to IMF, China, EU, Worldbank among others. We are cursed.[/SIZE]

Nigeria has the oil volume to achieve these scale of riches despite it HUGE population. If all stollen funds were to be returned to Nigerians and ALL corruption stopped today.

A blackman like you who hates himself to the point of wishing genocide or inhalation against his own race should just be EXECUTED without trial to avoid the spread of the infectious mentality of self-hate, House-negroism, Slave-mentality and Homeguard-mentality.

Truth be told. Africans are poor managers. Nobody can deny that

Western Europeans were savages living in poverty and had no idea about hygiene in the Middle Ages, just few centuries ago. It was only in the 1500s that they started experiencing rapid advancement in all spheres of society. So dude, stop making it seem that the current problems in the African continent have anything to do with intelligence vis-a-vis European’s intelligence. Civilizations come and go, and in each of them, there will always be those who are ahead of others. In few centuries, do not be surprised that Africans will be leading the pack. Who would have thought that the Chinese will one day be at the top? Who would have thought that the Ghetto-living Jews in the Middle Ages will one day have control over the world’s economy? In summary, our problems are mostly cultural and it has nothing to do with innate biological make-up. Also, civilizations are not permanent abd Africans can equally dominate in few years to come.

That is a very tired line you are trying to use here. It has been repeated a million times here. That is ALL true but what happened to us Africans of today?

I know Africans even colonized parts of Europe centuries ago. Explain what happened to us that we are now so backwards and turned into copycats abandoning our once rich culture.

Russians were living in peasantry until the Communist takeover and the rise of Stalin, who transformed the Russian society into a superpower within just 30 years. The same applies to other civilizations such as the Chinese who rapidly transformed under Deng Xiaoping. Do you want to tell me their IQ level just changed overnight?
Also, Greeks, Romans, Mongols under Khans and Indians under Mughal Empire used to be powerful and wealthy in the past. How did they regress to their current state?
In short, civilization come and go and every dog has its own day. It has nothing to do with innate biological makeup. If an African country, under a serious and visionary leader tranforms their nation into a superpower, would you still consider Africans to be inherently unintelligent?

Kizungu miningi peleka UoN Dept of Humanities: Here is the verdict

[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Renaissance has not yet taken off in Africa yet. Europe had theirs 4 centuries ago

The Renaissance was a fervent period of European cultural, artistic, political and economic “rebirth” following the Middle Ages. Generally described as taking place from the 14th century to the 17th century, the Renaissance promoted the rediscovery of classical philosophy, literature and art.

Africa will experience this and then Africa will be the center of the world again like in the past, but until then Africans will wallow in poverty and confusion.

My IQ is around 140, I am an Ivy League undergraduate (BA in Economics (Major), History (Minor) ) and a self-made multimillionaire. Next time you engage me on matters of such nature, just know I will trash you and throw you on the bin.

Otherwise, you haven’t answered my question above. I will pose another question for you to ponder while you’re still at it.

How did the Mongols transform from uninspiring nomadic pastoralists into a powerful and wealthy empire controlling almost the whole of Asia and Eastern European within just 100 years under the Khans?

Did the IQ of Mongols change overnight? Fast foward to their current state and definitely Mongolia regressed from their former glory. Did their IQ level regress too?

In other words, your arguments are always simplistic and last the necessary sophistication to have a deeper understanding of how societies work, global economics and more importantly, the history of human civilizations.

Let me sum up your entire argument and give you an answer in layman’s terms because that is the only way you and I can have meaningful discussion.

Today’s Africans are not self aware and that is the only reason as to why Africa is lagging behind and will lag behind for another century. Africa has everything that is needed to make us prosperous but we are mental slaves.

All those societies that you are talking about didn’t have an IQ change, their Self Awareness changed

@Ndindu

What the hell are you talking about you low IQ nig*er bonobo? First of all, South Africa didn’t exist 400 years ago. The dutch boers arrived in Cape Town in what would become part of South Africa in 1652 and before that the first europeans to arrive in Cape Town in what would become modern S.A were the portuguese in 1497, 150 earlier than the boers. When the portuguese arrived the Khoekhoe who lived there were famous for their pastoralists life styles in maintaining Nguni cattle which were introduced to them by the Nguni people and whom had established themselves in the KwaZulu-Natal and Transvaal (province) region earlier than 1st century AD. By that time the time portuguese came the integration between the Nguni people and Khoekhoe had established in that Nguni languages (such as Xhosa) had adopted the “click” in their languages from the khoekhoe.

When the Portuguese arrived they waged several wars between the Khoekhoe such as the Battle of Salt River and also introduced smallpox into the population which would kill many. The portuguese were non the less defeated and then no europeans came to cape town until 1652 which were the boers. They would barter with the Khoekhoe for their Nguni cattle from the beginning and when boers started to encroach on their land the Khoikhoi–Dutch Wars started, the first taking place from 1659 – 1660 and the second from 1673 – 1677. Because the boers had superior weapons many of the Khoekhoe would flee into the interior of southern africa where they would be integrated in groups such as the Xhosas.

The boers only started migrating outwards from Cape Town in late 1700s and thats when they came into contact with Nguni people such as the Xhosas in the Eastern Cape whom were cattle hearders. This started the Xhosa Wars also known as the Cape Frontier Wars, or Africa’s 100 Years War which lasted from 1779–1879. The khoikhoi also whom had been suffering in the hands of the boers annexation of their lands after surending in 1677 and also whom were present in the eastern cape joined the Xhosas in the war against the boers. These khoi-khoi had been humiliated so much that most of the coloureds people in S.A are today desendents of boer men and conquered khoi-khoi women which is why coloureds people only speak the Dutch(boer) language unlike the few real khoekhoe whom are present in S.A and other Southern African countries.

This is how small the cape town colony was in 1700 until the boers starting moving inwards into Southern Africa. There was no country called South Africa back then and even when they had conquered eastern cape by 1800s where people such as the Xhosas lived they had still only captured a small proportion of modern S.A and had yet to encounter other people such as the Zulu, which eventually happened later with the British in late 1800s and started the Anglo-Zulu War. Dont write more low IQ niger comments about africans not being present in Africa, low IQ niger bonobo.

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Thank you. We’re now on the same page. Development of a nation is a complex and comprehensive process, and using IQ as a blanketing argument is just being simplistic and narrow minded.
An African country can even transform within a 20 year period into a superpower, under the right conditions, and IQ will not matter.

Now you are talking.

China and most of other Asian economic giants were just mere fishing or rice farming communities 70 years ago but today they are way head because their leadership created the right enabling environment. China and India were once the world’s biggest economies but they lost those titles after a series of political setbacks over the course of time. Wars and disease ravaged China centuries ago but now just as China rose from the ashes Africa can do the same.

One thing that people don’t talk about is that the Transantlantic Slave trade had serious Human Capital drain on the continent of Africa. Today there is both brain drain and Human capital loss from Africa to the West. There are for example 1000s of Nigerian doctors in the USA and UK, same case with Ghana although a bit lower and many other countries.

We need changes in governance such as the case in Rwanda. This will attract foreign investors and in turn Technology transfer. There is no reason why African countries should be importing finished products such as Ovens or Fridges. The copper used in those devices is most likely from Zambia.

The key to economic growth is making a U turn from being net consumers /importers to manufacturers / exporters

Who said South Africa existed in the 1600s?

I said that part of Africa was being occupied by Khoisans and most of them were killed by the boers

…africans are great people , usijidharau sana , africans technically made the world we live in , hata hio south africa , who biult it ?

anyways…africa is poor juu ya foreign influence…through things like slavery , colonialisation , ukoloni mamboleo , homeguard leaders , and the lancaster conference whose agenda was —> if the africans are divied & poor , the western world benefits…

And one of few country in Southern Africa not colonised by the boers was Botswana unlike all its neighbours S.A, Namibia and Zimbabwe. In late 1800s the boers invaded Tswana land and conquered much of it and included it in their colonies. The northern clans of modern day Botswana came together to defeat the boers and secure their lands and create Botswana. Thats why Botswana is one of the few countries in Africa to be a direct territorial continuation of a pre-colonial era African states.

It later became a protectorate under U.K, and around late 1880s and early 1890s there was pressure to make Bechuanaland Protectorate become a part of the Union of South Africa or Southern Rhodesia from the boers/europeans but due to the terrible threatment of africans there, this made Khama III, Sebele I and Bathoen I, whom are known as the three Dikgosi, travel to England to meet with Queen Victoria to whom they pleaded to remain a protectorate under U.K which she approved and they remained until gaining independence in 1966 along with Lesotho and Eswathini whom were also protectorates alongside Botswana under the U.K Southern Africa Commisioner and thus protected from the boer invadors.

Because Botswana was a protectorate it was the 2nd poorest country in the world and the poorest in Africa during independence, and had no infrastructure except a rail line, a road for the queens visit in 1947, and some missionary churches. Today it has it has the highest living standard in subsaharan Africa and the 1st freedom country in Africa. Why? Because Botswana was built by a people who had always been independent. Tswana people of Botswana never endured stuff such as generational poverty from being forced into reservations unlike Africans their neighbouring countries like Namibia, South Africa and Zimbabwe. They were the 2nd poorest country in the world but they had more wealth than any african people in the neighbouring country. They owned more than one million Tswana cattles during independence in 1966 and it was that which was donated by the people and used to build the first infrastructure such as schools in the country until diamonds was discovered in the 70s. There has always been more cattles in Botswana than people.

While people are still living in their generational slums today in South Africa which only got independence from boers 25 years ago people have never in Botswana and they started their nation building much earlier in 1966 and only needed to focus on that and no jungus to bother them such as racism, and no need to fight for independence because they were not a colony. Today Botswana has higher living standard than any african country and is also regarded as one of the oldest democracy in the world, practising the Kgotla system. All these are the results of Botswana and Batswana people always living independent. And today more and more boers/europeans from neighbouring countries which they colonised are migrating to Botswana and sadly bringing in their racism.

But i guess if you were in the then Botswana you would have been fighting for the boers to colonise Botswana.

sielewi argument hapa , pia the romans at some point were the greatest, actually they conquered Europe and introduced civilization to them, previously Europe was just like Africa, kwanza the brits and Germans were very dirty, just like us.
some of them would go for days without taking a bath,.saying it was a bad omen but romans wali walainisha , hata sisi tutafika tu.

Are you stupid? You started off your comment with ‘‘When the Boers arrived in South Africa 400+’’… First there was no South Africa 400+ years ago and the modern map of South Africa was established in 1910. Second, the boers arrived in Cape Town in 1652 which is exactly 352 years ago and they didn’t start expanding until 1700s and when they did they encountered several african people which prompted several famous african wars.

Be honest with yourself that you are a low IQ nig*er bonobo whom dont know what you are talking about and instead came here to write nonsense to sound smart like many low iq bonobos on kenyatalk. I’m the first one on kenyatalk to critisize africa and africans but never have i wrote anything without the true facts to come with it and instead create something out of my head. And when i’m wrong i can be honest about it and own my mistakes.

@Ndindu

Reduce the self-hate. Self-hate is infectious and in the grander scheme of things, the only thing you will achieve is fulfilling your own prophecy.

Had the Mongol pastoralists not believed in themselves, they would not have conquered the whole of Asia.

Had Russians not believed in their own potential, they would still be just another nondescript Slavic country.

Had Chinese not asked themselves why a small country like Japan could colonize them, they would still be another populous agrarian nation in the Far East.

Self-hate is self-fulfilling and self-consuming.