Somalis told to move to kenya and get IDs - Kenya Kwisha

[Dennis_Morgan]

@Jizman

Apparently adhon means a slave so huwa wametubeba kama watumwa wao in our country. Very silly beings

Hao watu acha nao, most of them are very primitive.

[Cheza_juu]

@Dennis_Morgan

…rding historical relations, Somali in the NE (Garissa, Mandera, and Wajir) wanted to secede when Kenya gained independence. They also boycotted the 1963 elections because many of them preferred to join the Greater Somalia republic rather than be integrated into the Kenyan state.
Somalis are among the most xenophobic people you could ever meet, infact they will display xenophobia in your own country.

Stop hiding behind ‘Cushite’ and give evidence that Somali as a group was here.

There are small bantu groups in Garissa, Tana River counties and Jubaland that still recall ‘the day somalis arrived with camels’. Such groups are thought to be related to Pokomo and Mijikendas and they include Munyoyaya,Wasagude, Malakote. Then other Bantu groups like Barjuuni are the trie sea fearing people who settled all the way to Baraawe in puntland,Kismayu to Lamu Archipelago. They actually recall stories of how they built marine vessels, saved people with camels(somalis) when they came from the Northern lands and started trading or when attacked.

1. “Early Cushites” in Kenya — Who Were They?

When Bantu and Nilotic groups say they “found Cushites” in Kenya, they are always referring to Southern Cushitic and Eastern Cushitic peoples who lived in Kenya long before Somalis expanded southward.

Two main Cushitic waves reached Kenya:

A. Southern Cushites (Earliest)

Arrived 3000–2000 years ago.
Lived in Central Kenya, Rift Valley, Mount Kenya region, parts of Taita, Coastal hinterlands.
They are now extinct as ethnic groups, but absorbed into:

• Kikuyu, Embu, Meru
• Kalenjin
• Maasai
• Mijikenda
• Taita
• Boni/Waboni

• About 30–40 clans in these groups trace ancestry here.

These Southern Cushites were not Somalis. They are related to extinct groups sometimes labeled in archaeology as the Savanna Pastoral Neolithic (SPN) or Elmenteitan and Pastoral Neolithic cultures.

B. Eastern Cushites (Later)

These include Oromo (Galla), Rendille, Sakuye, Boni, and sometimes Dabida/Taita components.

They entered northern and eastern Kenya between 1000 CE – 1800 CE, long before Somali southward movement.

2. So Where Were the Somalis in Early Kenyan History?

Most Kenyan oral traditions do not mention Somalis, because:

A. Somali expansion southwards is recent

Historically:

Somalis were concentrated in Northern Somalia and the Ogaden for many centuries.

Significant Somali movement into Kenya accelerated only from the 1700s–1800s.

A massive shift happened during the 19th century due to:

• Oromo expansion westwards
• Somali clan rivalries
• Desire for pasture and trade routes
• The rise of Somali trading families on the coast

Before this period, Somalis had no major presence in what is now Kenya.

B. Groups Kenyan communities called “Cushites” were not Somalis

Instead, early Bantu and Nilotic groups interacted with

-Southern Cushites (the earliest, remnants are Iraqi in Tanzania and they have no idea who somalis are)
-Eastern Cushites like:

• Oromo (Galla)
• Rendille
• Boni (Aweer)
• Dahalo
• Sakuye
• Borana
• Gabra

These groups predate Somali southward movement.

Thus, Kikuyu, Maasai, Kalenjin, Mijikenda, etc. describe encounters with Cushitic predecessors , but not Somalis who are recent immigrants.

3. The Coast and the Somali Presence

An important proverb:
“Mgalla muue lakini haki mpe”
“Kill the Galla if you must, but give him his due”

This proverb shows early Swahili interaction with Oromo (Galla) — not Somalis.

Why?

Because until the 18th–19th centuries:

• Oromo (Galla) pastoralists were the dominant force moving toward the coast, raiding and trading.
• Swahili towns (Lamu, Pate, Mombasa) had constant contact with Oromo, not Somalis.

Somali presence on the Kenyan coast began later:

First noticeable Somali merchant families appear in:

• Lamu Archipelago
• Kismayo trade routes
• Barjuuni sailors in coastal trade,who helped somalis

This increases only in the 18th–19th centuries, especially with Omani influence and increase in Islamic influencers like preachers.

4. Why Somali Migration Toward Kenya Is Recent

Historically, Somali clans expanded:

1. Southwards from northern Somalia → Ogaden
2. Through Jubaland
3. Into present-day Garissa, Wajir, Mandera mostly in the last 200–300 years

Reasons:

• Pressure from Oromo expansions
• Pastoral land competition
• Trade opportunities with the Swahili/Omani coast
• Colonial boundaries (British policies encouraged Somali settlement in the NFD)

Before that, Somali homeland was much further north.

5. Why Kenyan Groups Say They Met “Early Cushites,” Not Somalis

• Somalis were not the Cushites living in Kenya in ancient times.
• The Cushites they met were earlier populations, especially Southern Cushites, who were already in places like:
  • Central highlands
  • Rift valley
  • Tana River
  • Coast hinterlands

These ancient Cushites eventually:

• disappeared as distinct groups,
• but left genetic, linguistic, and cultural traces now found in:
  • Maasai age-set system (Cushitic influence)
  • Kalenjin cattle culture
  • Kikuyu certain clans and ritual vocabulary
  • Mijikenda pottery and clan names
  • Boni/Dahalo remnants of Cushitic languages

Furthermore,names like ‘Ewaso Ngiro’, ‘El waq’ are evidence the areas were not occupied at first by communities professing Islamic faith

[applebee100]

History is meaningless. The fact of the matter is Kenya is a Bantu country. I don’t give a shit whether you were here before us. It’s our country. They should go to their country.

[brelex]

these people DO NOT assimilate or mix with anyone,
Their primary goal is to dominate and replace you

[123bes]

Somalis in Minnesota stole over $1 billion dollars , which was used to fund fancy lifestyles and buy real estate in Kenya.
Over 70 of them have charged with fraud. Americans go for your assets if you are found guilty.
Their tap will dry up also since America is now scrutinizing remittances over $1000 especially from non taxpayers.
We’ll see how good business people they are in 2-3 years.

[Eng_iti]

@Jizman

…ys” are more civilised and developed than you Somalis.
Infact Somalis prefer living and investing in “monkey” country (Kenya), than their own. Why?
Woria alijam, akasema tuache iyo story.

A buddy who grew up with them in South B once told me they refer to us as “adhon” when speaking their language. Apparently adhon means a slave so huwa wametubeba kama watumwa wao in our country. Very silly beings

I have Been to NFD and I can properly tell everyone that if there should be tribalism, everyone should put their differences aside and channel their hate towards these people.
@Bingwa_Scrotum calls nywele ngumu ‘Korale’ when pissed.
And when in his shop before the counter and a Waria is behind you, unakuambia kaa kando waria ishughulikiwe so that you are the last one to be served.
During my many trips there, there was no way even if you booked a bus a month earlier you could be assigned a seat between 2 and 20. They were all always ‘booked’.
Thats their preserve and you don’t qualify to sit there.
Circa 2015 there was a incident where alshabaab entered into a bus at night and slaughtered anyone whose hair wasn’t as convincing as they’d want.

Boko Haram now is here with us and has infiltrated into our society and gafmen. Tutalijua jiji.

[Straw_man]

@Eng_iti

…ed a bus a month earlier you could be assigned a seat between 2 and 20. They were all always ‘booked’.
Thats their preserve and you don’t qualify to sit there.
Circa 2015 there was a incident where alshabaab entered into a bus at night and slaughtered anyone whose hair wasn’t as convincing as they’d want.
Boko Haram now is here with us and has infiltrated into our society and gafmen. Tutalijua jiji.

Waria have perfected the art of gaming the system. They do the least and gain the most. They only involve themselves in illegal businesses.

[Jizman]

@Eng_iti

…ed a bus a month earlier you could be assigned a seat between 2 and 20. They were all always ‘booked’.
Thats their preserve and you don’t qualify to sit there.
Circa 2015 there was a incident where alshabaab entered into a bus at night and slaughtered anyone whose hair wasn’t as convincing as they’d want.
Boko Haram now is here with us and has infiltrated into our society and gafmen. Tutalijua jiji.

Correct. Ukitaka kujua ukabila enda North Eastern. Hio mambo ya being sidelined for oria to be served first is something I saw even kwa kupanda ndege. I remember a time that I was flying from Mandera and we were told to wait waingie then we enter last. The good thing is that the Mandera airstrip is in a military camp and so the soldiers there control a lot including boarding. One of the Gen-Z soldiers broke their protocol and allowed us to board first hao wengine baadaye . Road transport seat utapata ni za nyume especially kwa land cruisers unless maybe ni mwanamke ako na mtoi mdogo. They also don’t like other Kenyans doing business uko N.E. and can even organise with Al Shabaab to bomb your business. Airline zote za Wilson Airport ni zao na hawataki competition on the N.E. routes. They also like involving politicians whenever things don’t go their way. Number ya MP kila mtu ako nayo ata herder and their calls are always picked. Ata senior government officers find it hard to work those sides juu simu inaeza pigwa na local anytime then orders from above ndio kusema

[Dennis_Morgan]

@Cheza_juu

Stop hiding behind ‘Cushite’ and give evidence that Somali as a group was here.

I can see you’re not a keen reader. You’re asking for evidence that I already shared. Please go back and reread my first reply; you will find both the historical and linguistic evidence there.

Something else I’ve noted with concern is your lack of historical and linguistic understanding. All those Cushitic ethnic groups you mentioned did not exist in their present form in ancient times. There was no tribe called Rendille, Oromo, Somali more than 1000 years ago. Go and study the etymology of the words Somali, Rendille, Oromo, etc.

In the same way, the Gikuyu ethnic group did not exist before the 12th century. For more on this, study Prof. Geoffrey Muriuki’s book A History of the Kikuyu: 1500–1900.

All those Cushitic groups are related culturally, linguistically, genetically, and historically.

Linguistically, Somali, Oromo, Borana, and Rendille all belong to the same Cushitic language family. Today they have different dialects, but originally the language is the same.

Historically, these groups descend from a common East Cushitic ancestry that migrated from Sudan and southern Egypt into the Horn of Africa. From the Horn, Cushitic populations began moving into the African interior, with the Tutsi being among the few Cushites who penetrated deeply into the Great Lakes region present day Rwanda.

Over the centuries, these Cushitic pastoralists split into the distinct communities we know today: Rendille, Somali, Oromo, and others.

So, the bottom line is this: Cushites (who today include Somalis, Rendille, etc.) were the first group to enter Kenya and that’s according to history, linguistic, genetics and archaeology.

[Kahuni_Maisha]

@Cheza_juu

…h rates to project their irredentist and jihadist gospel.
They have never needed more schools, CDF and other devolved funds are too much that they can afford to pay huge amounts for all kids and still hand them some more as pocket money. That is evidence of low numbers.
Without using the over 500k Somalian refugees, actual Kenyan Somali numbers are actually between 1.6m and 2m. Anything else is fake

You’re right that statistics has to be supported by other factors, for instance, it’s true, that Somalis in Kenya have a high birth rate, but what does it take, to get these children to the voting age ?
It takes a good health care system, clean water, proper housing, security …which minimizes infant mortality rate .
Most of these factors are absent in predominantly Somalis occupied territories.
If a woman gives birth to 7 kids, how many of them are likely to get to the voting age ?

[Delsa]

@123bes

…Somalis in Minnesota stole over $1 billion dollars , which was used to fund fancy lifestyles and buy real estate in Kenya.
Over 70 of them have charged with fraud. Americans go for your assets if you are found guilty.
Their tap will dry up also since America is now scrutinizing remittances over $1000 especially from non taxpayers.
We’ll see how good business people they are in 2-3 years.

Cashflow drought is already here Somali women are hawkers in eastleigh wameingia hustle that tells all you need to know once the loot from America dries up expect firesales in eastleigh.

[Dennis_Morgan]

@applebee100

History is meaningless

This statement can only come from an ignorant or a stupid person, that is someone who fails to understand that history shapes a huge part of your life without you even realizing it.

For example, when you want to buy a plot of land, what do you do? Do you just buy it the same way you would buy a piece of bread in the supermarket? No. You consult history it’s green card, ownership records, and many other documents.

When you go to a bank to ask for a loan, the bank will consult your history, what they call your credit history, to determine your creditworthiness.

When you’re seeking employment, or when you’re looking to employ someone, do you just hand out positions in your company or business to every Tom, Dick, and Harry? No. You look at a person’s history, specifically their résumé or CV. A résumé is simply a document highlighting your history - your work experience, education background, and more.

When you get arrested and taken to court, the judge may convict you or pardon you depending on your history - what the justice system calls your criminal record. If they check your criminal record and find you’re a first-time offender, the judge might pardon you.

History also applies to the healthcare sector. A patient personal and/or family medical history is crucial for accurate diagnosis and treatment.

So never, ever say that history is meaningless.