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[SIZE=7]China does not want to vie for No. 1 position: Chinese Defence Minister Wei Fenghe[/SIZE]
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Outlining his country’s position on Asia-Pacific, Chinese Defence Minister Wei Fenghe pledged that China will promote the building of a community with a shared future while safeguarding peace and stability in the region.ST PHOTO: LIM YAOHUI

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SINGAPORE - China does not have the intention nor capacity to vie for the number one position in the world with the United States, said Chinese Defence Minister Wei Fenghe on Sunday (June 2) as he told a summit of defence ministers and military leaders that his country is committed to a path of peaceful development.

“All countries need to depend on each other for their own development,” he said at a question and answer session at the Shangri-La Dialogue.

“Conflict, confrontation between countries, including that between China and the US, does not serve the interest of the two peoples and doesn’t serve the interest of the whole world.”
Even as he sought to assure the countries in the region that China is not seeking an all-out conflict with the US over trade, he promised that his country would not back down if pushed.
“As for the recent trade friction started by the US, if the US wants to talk, we will keep the door open. If they want a fight, we will fight till the end,” he said in his speech.
On Saturday, Acting Defence Secretary Patrick Shanahan said at the summit that the US would no longer “look the other way”, as he called out China’s unfriendly behaviour in the region.

Speaking on the last day of the three-day summit, General Wei said: “We take note that the US expounded on its perspective on regional affairs yesterday. We believe that any such perspective should take into account the common security and interests of regional countries. No approaches to regional issues should resort to military blocs, nor should they undermine the interests of others.”
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In an apparent reference to the US, he also criticised “a certain country” that “champions unilateralism, puts its own interests before others, withdraws from international treaties and organisations”.
In the same vein, he added: “Some deliberately create division and hostility, provoke confrontation, meddle with regional affairs, interfere in internal affairs of others, and frequently resort to arms. Whose interests on earth do they serve and whose do they harm?”
Outlining his country’s position on Asia-Pacific, Gen Wei pledged that China would promote the building of a community with a shared future while safeguarding peace and stability in the region.
He said China is developing its military for self-defence only, and has never bullied or preyed on others, emphasising that it is written into the Constitution of the Communist Party of China that the country will pursue a path of peace.
“If this is not even convincing enough for some people, then we don’t know what they would believe,” he added.
Those who say otherwise and “recklessly” exaggerate China’s threat to the region, he said, are doing so out of ignorance of Chinese history, culture and policies, and also due to misunderstanding, prejudice or even a hidden agenda.
“In the future, no matter how strong it becomes, China shall never threaten anyone, seek hegemony or establish spheres of influence,” he said.
But in the same way, China will not let others “bully, prey on or invade us either” he added.
He took issue particularly with the US position on Taiwan, and on the South China Sea, where it is involved in overlapping territorial disputes with other countries in the region.
“If anyone dares to split Taiwan from China, the Chinese military will have no choice but to fight at all costs. At all costs, for national unity,” he said.
He also warned Taiwan’s Democratic Progressive Party that China would not tolerate any foreign interference in the issue of reunification.
On the South China Sea, Gen Wei said China’s constructions on the islands and reefs were for self-defence, and were perfectly legitimate.
During the speech, he also spoke about China-US cooperation. Both countries will mark 40 years of diplomatic ties this year, and the relationship has been growing steadily despite the ups and downs, he said.
“The most valuable lesson we have learnt from the four-decade long relationship is that cooperation benefits the two sides while confrontation hurts both. Looking forward, the two countries should follow the consensus by the two heads of state and promote a China-US relationship featuring coordination, cooperation and stability,” he added.
Later, at a question and answer session that extended beyond the allotted time slot, with 16 questions asked, Gen Wei also touched on issues that ranged from security to Chinese tech company Huawei, terrorism and Tiananmen.
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On the US ban on Huawei, he said China was resolutely against such sanctions on private companies.
Asked about the protests in Tiananmen Square, which happened on June 4, 1989, he said China had done the right thing in quelling the protests.
“Because of the handling of the Chinese government, China has enjoyed stability and development. And if you visit China, you can understand that part of history,” he

it is very telling that the defence minister is speaking, and in full military regalia. it is indeed showing toothes.

As a history enthusiast, I don’t see how the US can win this. Somebody needs to remind Trump that China is a ‘civilisational’ organism and not a nation-state. The Han Chinese have had an empire running for the last 3,000 years, and it is Sun Tzu who wrote The Art of War 2,000 years ago…

Being number one is advantageous in military situations. But the ability for enemies to adapt to situations becomes paramount.

The USA strength comes from the blitzkrieg dogma of overwhelming strength in both land, sea and air. Take away one of these advantages then you can easily combat such a force.

Taking away US sea strength would cause the most fatal blow like its submarines, aircraft carriers, destroyers, etc. Then one could work on an attrition campaign which would deadlock the sides in a land and air warfare.

Nuclear weapons would be also worthless…

Biggest fear is if it goes down the cold war path, then you will see 1 million and 1 proxy wars and a similar no. of puppet dictator rulers

China is not like the US. China keeps its cards close to the chest. Iran denied US war.

USA inaweza chapa China kama watoto,do you know wakati America walikuwa wanandika constitution kiti moja ilikuwa reserved ,and can you guess for who?for the Almighty God ,he was the unseen participant during the drafting

The pact only has an anus as the only neutral witness? He! He! He!

Americans count on a short war with China where they launch bombers from the sea to take out key war support infrastructure such as command centers. China has been alive to this fact and has been working to build capacity to destroy or at least severely incapacitate any aircraft carriers within range.
Funny, millions of another people who proclaim closest proximity to God were incinerated alive at Dachau and Auschwitz.

it was prophicied along time ago,didn’t they overcame it and started from the scratch and swiftly passed countries that have been in existence from time immemorial?kama hio sio mkono ya Jehova sijui ni nini

[SIZE=7]With Ships and Missiles, China Is Ready to Challenge U.S. Navy in Pacific[/SIZE]

China’s first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, at sea in April. First launched by the Soviet Union in 1988, it was sold for $20 million to a Chinese investor who said it would become a floating casino, though he was in reality acting on behalf of the People’s Liberation Army Navy.CreditAgence France-Presse — Getty Images

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DALIAN, China — In April, on the 69th anniversary of the founding of China’s Navy, the country’s first domestically built aircraft carrier stirred from its berth in the port city of Dalian on the Bohai Sea, tethered to tugboats for a test of its seaworthiness.
“China’s first homegrown aircraft carrier just moved a bit, and the United States, Japan and India squirmed,” a military news website crowed, referring to the three nations China views as its main rivals.
Not long ago, such boasts would have been dismissed as the bravado of a second-string military. No longer.
A modernization program focused on naval and missile forces has shifted the balance of power in the Pacific in ways the United States and its allies are only beginning to digest.
While China lags in projecting firepower on a global scale, it can now challenge American military supremacy in the places that matter most to it: the waters around Taiwan and in the disputed South China Sea.
That means a growing section of the Pacific Ocean — where the United States has operated unchallenged since the naval battles of World War II — is once again contested territory, with Chinese warships and aircraft regularly bumping up against those of the United States and its allies.

To prevail in these waters, according to officials and analysts who scrutinize Chinese military developments, China does not need a military that can defeat the United States outright but merely one that can make intervention in the region too costly for Washington to contemplate. Many analysts say Beijing has already achieved that goal.
To do so, it has developed “anti-access” capabilities that use radar, satellites and missiles to neutralize the decisive edge that America’s powerful aircraft carrier strike groups have enjoyed. It is also rapidly expanding its naval forces with the goal of deploying a “blue water” navy that would allow it to defend its growing interests beyond its coastal waters.
“China is now capable of controlling the South China Sea in all scenarios short of war with the United States,” the new commander of the United States Indo-Pacific Command, Adm. Philip S. Davidson, acknowledged in written remarks submitted during his Senate confirmation process in March.
He described China as a “peer competitor” gaining on the United States not by matching its forces weapon by weapon but by building critical “asymmetrical capabilities,” including with anti-ship missiles and in submarine warfare. “There is no guarantee that the United States would win a future conflict with China,” he concluded.
Last year, the Chinese Navy became the world’s largest, with more warships and submarines than the United States, and it continues to build new ships at a stunning rate. Though the American fleet remains superior qualitatively, it is spread much thinner.
“The task of building a powerful navy has never been as urgent as it is today,” President Xi Jinping declared in April as he presided over a naval procession off the southern Chinese island of Hainan that opened exercises involving 48 ships and submarines. The Ministry of National Defense said they were the largest since the People’s Republic of China was founded in 1949.
Even as the United States wages a trade war against China, Chinese warships and aircraft have picked up the pace of operations in the waters off Japan, Taiwan, and the islands, shoals and reefs it has claimed in the South China Sea over the objections of Vietnam and the Philippines.
When two American warships — the Higgins, a destroyer, and the Antietam, a cruiser — sailed within a few miles of disputed islands in the Paracels in May, Chinese vessels rushed to challenge what Beijing later denounced as “a provocative act.” China did the same to three Australian ships passing through the South China Sea in April.
Only three years ago, Mr. Xi stood beside President Barack Obama in the Rose Garden and promised not to militarize artificial islands it has built farther south in the Spratlys archipelago. Chinese officials have since acknowledged deploying missiles there, but argue that they are necessary because of American “incursions” in Chinese waters.

When Defense Secretary Jim Mattis visited Beijing in June, Mr. Xi bluntly warned him that China would not yield “even one inch” of territory it claims as its own.

Ballistic missiles designed to strike ships on display at a military parade in Beijing in 2015.CreditPool photo by Andy Wong

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Ballistic missiles designed to strike ships on display at a military parade in Beijing in 2015.CreditPool photo by Andy Wong
[SIZE=6]‘Anti-Access/Area Denial’[/SIZE]
China’s naval expansion began in 2000 but accelerated sharply after Mr. Xi took command in 2013. He has drastically shifted the military’s focus to naval as well as air and strategic rocket forces, while purging commanders accused of corruption and cutting the traditional land forces.
The People’s Liberation Army — the bedrock of Communist power since the revolution — has actually shrunk in order to free up resources for a more modern fighting force. Since 2015, the army has cut 300,000 enlisted soldiers and officers, paring the military to two million personnel over all, compared with 1.4 million in the United States.

While every branch of China’s armed forces lags behind the United States’ in firepower and experience, China has made significant gains in asymmetrical weaponry to blunt America’s advantages. One focus has been in what American military planners call A2/AD, for “anti-access/area denial,” or what the Chinese call “counter-intervention.”
A centerpiece of this strategy is an arsenal of high-speed ballistic missiles designed to strike moving ships. The latest versions, the DF-21D and, since 2016, the DF-26, are popularly known as “carrier killers,” since they can threaten the most powerful vessels in the American fleet long before they get close to China.

The DF-26, which made its debut in a military parade in Beijing in 2015 and was tested in the Bohai Sea last year, has a range that would allow it to menace ships and bases as far away as Guam, according to the latest Pentagon report on the Chinese military, released this month. These missiles are almost impossible to detect and intercept, and are directed at moving targets by an increasingly sophisticated Chinese network of radar and satellites.

China announced in April that the DF-26 had entered service. State television showed rocket launchers carrying 22 of them, though the number deployed now is unknown. A brigade equipped with them is reported to be based in Henan Province, in central China.
Such missiles pose a particular challenge to American commanders because neutralizing them might require an attack deep inside Chinese territory, which would be a major escalation.

The American Navy has never faced such a threat before, the Congressional Research Office warned in a report in May, adding that some analysts consider the missiles “game changing.”
The “carrier killers” have been supplemented by the deployment this year of missiles in the South China Sea. The weaponry includes the new YJ-12B anti-ship cruise missile, which puts most of the waters between the Philippines and Vietnam in range.
While all-out war between China and the United States seems unthinkable, the Chinese military is preparing for “a limited military conflict from the sea,” according to a 2013 paper in a journal called The Science of Military Strategy.

Lyle Morris, an analyst with the RAND Corporation, said that China’s deployment of missiles in the disputed Paracel and Spratly Islands “will dramatically change how the U.S. military operates” across Asia and the Pacific.
The best American response, he added, would be “to find new and innovative methods” of deploying ships outside their range. Given the longer range of the ballistic missiles, however, that is not possible “in most contingencies” the American Navy would be likely to face in Asia.

Soldiers with the People’s Liberation Army Navy patrolling Woody Island in the disputed Paracel archipelago in 2016.CreditReuters

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[SIZE=6]Blue-Water Ambitions[/SIZE]
The aircraft carrier that put to sea in April for its first trials is China’s second, but the first built domestically. It is the most prominent manifestation of a modernization project meant to propel the country into the upper tier of military powers. Only the United States, with 11 nuclear-powered carriers, operates more than one.
A third Chinese carrier is under construction in a port near Shanghai. Analysts believe China will eventually build five or six.
The Chinese military, traditionally focused on repelling a land invasion, increasingly aims to project power into the “blue waters” of the world to protect China’s expanding economic and diplomatic interests, from the Pacific to the Atlantic.
The carriers attract the most attention but China’s naval expansion has been far broader. The Chinese Navy — officially the People’s Liberation Army Navy — has built more than 100 warships and submarines in the last decade alone, more than the entire naval fleets of all but a handful of nations.

Last year, China also introduced the first of a new class of a heavy cruisers — or “super destroyers” — that, according to the American Office of Naval Intelligence, “are comparable in many respects to most modern Western warships.” Two more were launched from dry dock in Dalian in July, the state media reported.
Last year, China counted 317 warships and submarines in active service, compared with 283 in the United States Navy, which has been essentially unrivaled in the open seas since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.
Unlike the Soviet Union, which drained its coffers during the Cold War arms race, military spending in China is a manageable percentage of a growing economy. Beijing’s defense budget now ranks second only to the United States: $228 billion to $610 billion, according to estimatesby the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

The roots of China’s focus on sea power and “area denial” can be traced to what many Chinese viewed as humiliation in 1995 and 1996. When Taiwan moved to hold its first democratic elections, China fired missiles near the island, prompting President Bill Clinton to dispatch two aircraft carriers to the region.
“We avoided the sea, took it as a moat and a joyful little pond to the Middle Kingdom,” a naval analyst, Chen Guoqiang, wrote recently in the official Navy newspaper. “So not only did we lose all the advantages of the sea but also our territories became the prey of the imperialist powers.”
China’s naval buildup since then has been remarkable. In 1995, China built only three new submarines to begin replacing an older fleet that totaled 83. It now has nearly 60 new submarines and plans to expand to nearly 80, according to a report by the United States Congressional Research Service.

As it has in its civilian economy, China has bought or absorbed technologies from the rest of the world, in some cases illicitly. Much of its military hardware is of Soviet origin or modeled on antiquated Soviet designs, but with each new wave of production, analysts say, China is deploying more advanced capabilities.
China’s first aircraft carrier was originally launched by the Soviet Union in 1988 and left to rust when the nation collapsed three years later. Newly independent Ukraine sold it for $20 million to a Chinese investor who claimed it would become a floating casino, though he was really acting on behalf of Beijing, which refurbished the vessel and named it the Liaoning.
The second aircraft carrier — as yet unnamed — is largely based on the Liaoning’s designs, but is reported to have enhanced technology. In February, the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation disclosed that it has plans to build nuclear-powered carriers, which have far greater endurance than ones that require refueling stops.

China’s military has encountered some growing pains. It is hampered by corruption, which Mr. Xi has vowed to wipe out, and a lack of combat experience. As a fighting force, it remains untested by combat.
In January, it was embarrassed when one of its most advanced submarines was detected as it neared disputed islands known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China. The attack submarine should never have been spotted.
The second aircraft carrier also appears to have experienced hiccups. Its first sea trials were announced in April and then inexplicably delayed. Not long after the trials went ahead in May, the general manager of China Shipbuilding was placed under investigation for “serious violation of laws and discipline,” the official Xinhua news agency reported, without elaborating.

Fiery Cross Reef in the South China Sea. The deployment of missiles on three man-made reefs in the disputed Spratly Islands — Subi, Mischief and Fiery Cross — has prompted protests from the White House.CreditDigitalGlobe, via Getty Images

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Fiery Cross Reef in the South China Sea. The deployment of missiles on three man-made reefs in the disputed Spratly Islands — Subi, Mischief and Fiery Cross — has prompted protests from the White House.CreditDigitalGlobe, via Getty Images

[SIZE=6]Defending Its Claims[/SIZE]
China’s military advances have nonetheless emboldened the country’s leadership.
The state media declared the carrier Liaoning “combat ready” in the summer after it moved with six other warships through the Miyako Strait that splits Japan’s Ryukyu Islands and conducted its first flight operations in the Pacific.
The Liaoning’s battle group now routinely circles Taiwan. So do Chinese fighter jets and bombers.
China’s new J-20 stealth fighter conducted its first training mission at sea in May, while its strategic bomber, the H-6, landed for the first timeon Woody Island in the Paracels. From the airfield there or from those in the Spratly Islands, the bombers could strike all of Southeast Asia.
The recent Pentagon report noted that H-6 flights in the Pacific were intended to demonstrate the ability to strike American bases in Japan and South Korea, and as far away as Guam.
“Competition is the American way of seeing it,” said Li Jie, an analyst with the Chinese Naval Research Institute in Beijing. “China is simply protecting its rights and its interests in the Pacific.”

America managed to become a superpower simply because they didn’t feel the direct effects of WW1 and 2. In fact, the wars were beneficial to them because the American economy supplied both sides with loans and weapons. Coming out of the wars with their economy intact, with other countries heavily indebted to them, they could only grow stronger. In the next world war, which I project will happen by 2050 (countries have large stockpiles of weapons, the military-industrial complex must find an excuse for these stockpiles to be used, to “reset” the clock somewhat), the American heartland must be attacked and their infrastructure severely damaged.
By that point, I’m imagining the dollar will be severely weakened, and the increasingly insecure Americans will look for every excuse to maintain their number one position through military means. When all is said and done, the USA will be the world’s shortest-lived major empire.

:smiley: you watch too much CNN and CSPAN. If Iraq war alone took a toll on USA and left the economy debt ridden can you imagine what China can do to USA?

China pia inatengeneza a list of us companies that will be hit. Watatafuta zile firm ziko na very serious influence in washington then sit back and watch capitalism at work. Wall Street seems to believe Boeing will be among the first to be hit

Without the Chinese Market Boeing and Qualcomm will not be profitable.

America is has a very strong military but only against weak poor 3rd World countries. It draws its strength from its navy and thus able to project power using Aircraft carrier battle groups and subs. These are undeniably powerful against a country like Kenya and can overwhelm our defenses. You just need to park them 400 km from Mombasa and start lobbing tomahawks at our key installations. We’ll capitulate in no time. Against a peer competitor like Russia or China however, those aircraft carriers are sitting ducks and would be sunk faster than you can say ‘’ asi’'.

Democracy is the only weapon that can stop China’s ascent to the top.

I see people here celebrating thinking America will go down without a serious fight. If America manages to bring in a democratic idea that would be end of China and do not think it cannot happen. In fact Americas position is unrivalled and tested.

As of today, USA and its allies have killed more people in Afghanistan, than ISIS and Taliban COMBINED!!

Kwani huyu Mungu wao ni blood thirsty kiasi gani?

I don’t think anyone said that. What we said is for Murika to have any meaningful impact in a war with China it would have to be close enough to shoot its guns and that is what the New York Times article i have posted above says. The problem is China is not a sitting duck as it has been preparing for that moment; how well they have prepared we will have to wait and see if and when it comes to that.