I have always wondered why in the previous verse the Bible says of husbands and wives SUBMIT TO ONE ANOTHER out of reverence for Christ. Obviously nobody quotes that verse, then in the next verse probably the most quoted verse in the Bible that every man knows. So why say both parties should submit to one another in one verse then in the next day say one party should submit to the other.
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Ephesians 5
[SIZE=5]Instructions for Christian Households(AH)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=7]21 Submit to one another(AI) out of reverence for Christ.[/SIZE]
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Galatians 5
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, [SIZE=7]serve one another humbly in love.[/SIZE]
1 Peter 5:5
In the same way, you who are younger, submit yourselves to your elders. [SIZE=3]All of you, [/SIZE][SIZE=7]clothe yourselves with humility toward one another,[/SIZE][SIZE=3] because,[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]âGod opposes the proud
but shows favor to the humble.â[a][/SIZE]
Those are the related verses to the first as per concordance.
You have no husband chief right?
Iâm not a man of the cloth, but Iâll answer. Itâs all about interpretation of the word Submit. Husbands are commanded to âsubmitâ by loving wives as they love themselves (very humbling), while wives should submit by respecting their husbands and permitting them to lead, so there would be no competition. Note that women arenât commanded to love, but to respect. Respect is very important to a man, while love is very important to a woman. Therefore men are commanded to love, the assumption being that you cannot respect someone who doesnât show you love, and you cannot love someone who doesnât respect you. If they each do their part, then submitting âto one anotherâ becomes a reciprocal process of giving, on one hand, love, and on the other, respect. Once there is genuine respect, love is possible. Note that the reverse, which is not written, is equally true: where there is no respect there is can be no love.
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Canât you respect your boss but not love him?
The problem with this submission is that men misuse it to be tyrants. Respect can not be demanded it can only be earned.
Since my father loves me and I have never any reason to doubt that, even if I was not a Christian and commanded to obey or honor my parents, it would not be in my best interest to disrespect or antagonise such a great ally who is highly invested and involved in my good. Even your very good and reliable friends you handle them with alot of care bcz if you were to lose them you will have lost a great asset. Also if you donât trust or feel secure in the relationship it follows that you will struggle to respect such a person.
You can also lose respect by misbehaving. Leadership is not positional, it is influence. And you can not influence people if they donât look up to you.
True. I think we have to look at the concepts of love and respect from a contextual perspective. You can respect a boss without loving him/her, because love in a romantic or marriage relationship is very different from love between children and parents, between siblings, or between mere friends. So saying âI love youâ can mean different things in different scenarios, depending on who is saying it, and to whom itâs said. Itâs improper to say that to a boss of course (even if itâs true, hehe), because affection is not needed to get work done. All you need is your professional skill, good judgement and respect, which is more straightforward. You can respect a boss by simply doing your work as required and speaking with honesty and knowledge, and keeping personal issues private while letting them keep their personal life private.
As for abusing the idea of submission, I think if you truly love someone you would not be abusive, and esp. if she shows respect. Respect in this case is wider and more complex than in other situations, because this is a person you know too well. It means having to ignore his weaknesses, not cutting him off during conversations, not being verbally abusive (eg. calling him a chimp:D) not mocking his abilitiesâexcept jokingly of courseânot talking ill of his relatives, not flirting with other men in his presence, not making him do things he expects you to do (eg. cooking), not talking ill about him to your girlfriends, etc.âthere is much.
Men abuse women who are submissive for various reasons. One could be because they married them without loving themâout of duty, e.g. if she got pegged and you rushed everything. Thatâs a common problem. Another could be because the man feels trapped in marriage if he married too early before squeezing all the fun out of life, so he still wants to hang out too often with friends and the wife doesnât approve. Other guys also change into monsters because they showed a girl the best of themselves to get her during dating, when they thought she was too good to have, then when they do marry her they show their true coloursâand she realizes she doesnât really know him. E.g. he could have lied about money and lured her with displays of a false lifestyle. When she complains he creates an excuse to beat her, claiming she doesnât respect him, but itâs really 'coz he feels sheâs getting controlling and heâs lost his footing. So the submission concept can be complicated. But all in all, it varies as many times as there are couples on earth, coz each person is different. What the Bible lays down is the bare expectation, a guideline. The âHowâ is an intricate art between two people, what is called âcommunicationâ, and thatâs deeper than just words.
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Yes you can influence people who donât look up to you. Using authority. Dictators do it. Transformational leaders do the same. Initially they are hated. But sometimes at the end,âpeople love them for the changes. Everybody who manages people, is initially hated by half. Try making changes, you lose half of that. Human beings are not receptive of change.
Very succinctly put , there âŚ
I could not have said it better âŚ
@ Truman Capote:
Can You see Yourself , under suitable conditions , âSubmittingâ ⌠??? :D:D
My friend, I am a Kenyan Iâve submitted my Huduma details, submitted my tax return, submitted my thesis, submitted my certificate of good conduct, I think I am over submitted already.
Looking up to someone does not mean liking or loving them. I look up to my mechanic bcz he knows more about cars than I do and he therefore has the power to influence me because I look up to him, I may not even like him, I may suspect that he cons but what can I do. He has the knowledge or power and I donât. Look at most dictators and you will discover that before they had the authority you speak of they had influence and people looked up to them. Letâs look at Adolf Hitler. I bet you didnât know that Hitler was elected fair and square in a democratic election.
It does. You canât look up to someone you donât like.
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Itâs true that Ephesians 5:21 emphasizes mutual submission between spouses, which is often overlooked. It highlights the importance of respect and equality in the marriage. As far as I know, many religions promote mutual respect between partners. Itâs not about dominance but about building a strong, loving partnership. For those interested, exploring Bible verses for restoring broken marriages can offer valuable insights into maintaining a harmonious and loving relationship. These verses can provide guidance and support during challenging times.
What are we submitting to because if its sex the bible says in 1 Corinthians 7:5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
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Ephesians 5:21-24, go read that dumb cunt.