@Nyamgondho @Okwonkwo hio mambo ya white shambas hatujamalizana. I read somewhere that white fellows still own more land in Kenya than Africans but sikumbuki ni wapi but fuck it I did read that shit! Nimeweka hii thread hapa ndio msiseme hamkusoma comment kwa thread ya South Africa.
As you all recall in the S.A. thread, data ilikuwa shida kupata. Nilienda hadi gazeti za 1953 na zingine za 1958 kutafuta info na bado nikaitwa fala na nyamgondho. Fake news he said. Nyamgondho naye alileta hadi PDF za world bank na zote haziku make sense. Ni mambo tu na hectares na arable farm land na agricultural land…
Agricultural land @Nyamgondho also includes planted govt. forests for instance and pasture or grazing lands for cattle.
And @Nyamgondho about the 27 million hectares of Agricultural land (not arable land) before independence, Africans DID NOT have title deeds and did not own land. They were not allowed to own land by the beberu. We were under colonization, so Africans were herded into reserves. Umeshikanisha?
There was controlled movements within a few select zones reserved for Africans. And to move around you needed a kipande. And to these day a vast majority of Kenyans still reside in those puny reserves.
Many of the reserves were also mainly constructed around and within the 10 million acre white highlands.
So to make some sense away from the 1950s articles, I backtracked and used simple logic. Tuko wangapi Kenya leo hii?
50 million, give or take. Tuondoe 40,000 wazungu Kenyans waketi kando.
My argument was that Kenyan Wazungu settlers, ranchers, busybodies, hustlers, devils own about 3 to 4 million acres. Could be more…or less.That is a fucking huge piece of land. My argument was that they own more land than Kenyans kwa hivyo tuwache kujipiga kifua ati we are better freedom fighters than S.A. Africans juu ati kule hawana much land. And we are talking about privately owned land here.
So zero hour here for the beginning of land ownership for the African is pegged at the year 1963 or independence.
In the 1950s at full capacity just before independence in the white highlands alone the whites were seating on 10 million acres. And that’s white highlands alone.
In some articles they say that by 1977, 95% of all that 10 million acres had been redistributed and I say that that is bullshit because Mrs. Makena’s article (which she stole elsewhere) clearly indicates that in Laikipia alone white ranchers are seating on over two million acres today!
Here’s Makena’s thread but you’ve already read it anyway:
https://www.kenyatalk.com/index.php?threads/the-real-land-owners-of-laikipia.63750/
In Makena’s article there is a very small list of 13 large white ranches whose total area is 699,000 ACRES! 300,000 acres short of a million acres. I think the likes of Lempurkel unleashed this list on social media to bring disharmony. Wazungu ranchers huwa wamelala chini kabisa wasijulikane ukora yao.
@Nyamgondho @Okwonkwo sijui kama mnaona logic yangu kule inaenda?!
13 white people own 699,000 acres saa hizo hujaongezea what the remaining 39,987whites in Kenya own! From Mombasa to Basil Criticos in Kwale to Kisumu to Kakamega to Uasin Gishu to Malindi to Nakuru to Nandi county to Kitale to Delamere in Naivasha etcetera. Na wale vijana wa safari rally akina Ian Duncan na yule rafiki wa Cholmondely hao wote pia ni ranch owners na watoto wa settlers. African Safari Rallies are held on their ranches anyway… wanakimbishana kwa esto zao. What to do with so much land and so little time.
13 white people own 3 and a half Nairobi counties. Nairobi is 696 Square Kilometers or roughly 172,000 acres. Na mnajua population ya Nairobi vile inatoshana.
So Makena’s article is not far fetched nor a lie nor a myth or a legend when she says white ranchers own over 2 million acres therein. Ukiongeza those not listed with 1000 acres… 200… 50 acres… etc utapata over 2 million acres.
So lets even start by assuming 50 million Kenyans own 50 million acres. Tuondoe akina Gathecha na Ruto na Moi na Ndegwas na hao wenye nchi wengine.
Even without govt. data, I can whittle down that 50 million acres to below the mzungus current 3 to 4 million acres. Very easily.
Out of the 50 million African Kenyans we don’t all own an acre, obviously.
In fact many Kenyan land owners own halfs, quarters , eighths or none at all etc.
Then you have to factor in that majority ya Kenyans ni wanawake, youths, watoto, poor folks, slum dwellers, kungurus etc. With many of them packed into highly congested hovels in slums like kibera, mathare, githurai, zimmerman… yes Zima ni slum. Mnaringa nini? Sue me. Ni kunyambiana tu usiku. Mtu akawasha kiberiti usiku the whole slum burns down. Noxious gases even from sewer streams. Mnadhani moto zingine slum zinaletwa na nini… Aki Mwafrika… I digress!
Kenyan women form half of the Kenyan population but only 7% of them own land! And according to this link below, Kenyan women ni 25,031,678.
Kenyan men ni 24,979,111.
http://countrymeters.info/en/Kenya
Then according to business daily:
@Nyamgondho umesema my links are rubbish… business daily is a renowned paper. If you don’t trust my links then tafuta link zako basi. funda.
Business daily wanasema only 7% of women own land.
Whereas 30% of male population own land.
So 7% X 25,031,678 = 1,752,217.46 women
30% X 24,979,111 =7,493,733.3 men
TOTAL = 9,245,950.76 African humans own land in Kenya.
So 9,245,951 Kenyans own an acre VS mzungu 3 to 4 million…
BUT WAIT!! Business daily wamesema men and women not boys and girls!
The above 9 million took into account ALL males and Females including children!
So let me narrow down this layman calculations a little further. I went to Index Mundi.
https://www.indexmundi.com/kenya/demographics_profile.html
At index mundi, I was still very generous and said anyone above 25 years of age in Kenya owns an acre. Remember wenye nchi na wazungu bado wako minus from this hesabu!
There are 9,641,107 males and 9,799,146 females above 25 years in Kenya.
So again, 9,641,107 X 30% = 2,892,432.1 men
9,799,147 X 7% = 685, 940.22 women
TOTAL = 3, 578,272.32
So 3,578,272 Kenyans own an acre as we whittle them down VS 3 to 4 million acres for the mzungu.
I will be very generous and even say, Jomo Gathecha and his friends and anyone who owns above 1 acre in Kenya totals up to 2 million acres.
So 2 million acres for all wenye nchi. (na mkitaka hata ongeza another million acres for Raila and his new friends. New money.)
So that rounds off to 5.3 million acres in the Africans corner VS 3 to 4 million in the mzungu corner.
But we all know the truth. I can go on and on and whittle down that 5.3 down to probably 4 million or much less. For instance very few 25 year olds own land… in fact very few 30 or 40 year olds in Kenya own any land at all.
And according to that same business daily article, 28% of women landowners actually own land jointly with their husbands! So that cuts down the African acreage even much further.
Then you have the squatters, the landless… the landgrabbers who are essentially landless once the govt. cracks down like in Westlands, the chokoraas, the beggers, the widows etcetera.
White ranchers do indeed own more land than Kenyan Africans. And Laikipia is a very small portion, these motherfuckers own almost all the national parks!
Meru national park is a mzungu ranch same for Lewa. I have seen a documentary where some wazungus in Meru and Lewa national parks wanted to ban irrigation of miraa in the areas close to their parks/ranches juu inamalizia wild animals maji! They also wanted to control the number of animals kept in each African household. So we are not yet UHURU!! Na sijaongeza flower farms like Makena pointed out, or white owned mining licenses or mining concession lands kama Tullow saa hii ni yao. And most marginalized communities in Kenya don’t have titles anyway! They are on somebody’s land.
It’s called community land but ni kifumba macho tu. Ordinary Kenyans probably own a million point five acres or much less.
Then of course there is the fact that a huge chunk of Kenyans will inherit land anyway, they wont buy it straight out. Ni kuvunja vunja peremende between watoto!
The other logic I used to explain why wazungu ranchers still own more land than Africans is posted as a comment on the S.A. thread.
We all know that most counties any way are not fully inhabited. Hata hio 172,000 acres that is Nairobi county (697 square km) bado iko na space mingi sana. Haijajaa. And alot of the land is public land or natural edifices.
And a vast majority of Kenyans like I said earlier reside in densely packed villages, slums, towns and cities.
For example Nairobi is said to have a population of about 6 million people. Lets even make it 5 million people. 5 million people packed into an area of about 172,000 acres.
Basically speaking all Nairobians would fit very comfortably into Kuki Gallmann’s ranch as well as the Ol pejeta ranch with space to spare. Following that logic you could in fact fit the whole Kenyan population as it stands with all its land owning capability into a few large white owned ranches.
Mombasa’s 1 million plus strong population as it stands will comfortably fit into the 67,000 acre Ol Jogi ranch with lots of space to spare! Mombasa is only 62,000 acres na already imebeba 1 million people.
If one then proceeds with that methodology of simple deductions throughout all the counties… Unaenda kama Iten and then take all the estates, the villages, the slum areas where people reside and sum them up! Then proceed do the same for every other African locality you will find that we as Africans WITH THE LAND WE CURRENTLY OWN would fit very comfortably in a few white owned ranches with lots of remaining spare space!
So msijipige vifua sana, Kenya bado ina wenyewe.
