1776
December 9, 2017, 11:42am
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Guys relax. You’re debating with a guy who can only see Raila. It’s how his followers are.
Even if you changed the voting system ( Presidential to Parliamentary), the result would be the same. If you claim votes were stolen, they would still be stolen anyway. Continuously changing systems doesnt really fix any underlying issues.
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Nyamgondho:
You are trying to play around with words. I am talking of the reality/what happened and not theoretical constructs. Let me put it this way so that you grasp the point.
“Bila kura ya wakikuyu na wakalenjin Uhuru hangekuwa rais”
That’s the reality. If you want to challenge that with quotes on votes he garnered in Marsabit or Nyamira it’s up to you. But this is the truth.
On his inauguration, I choked on my coffee when Ruto, the corruption high priest, claimed that the election campaign was issue based rather than tribal. Seems you belong to the same school of thought. Isokey.
Tell me something new. Kenyan politics are based on tribal mathematics.
I’m assuming the low voter turnout was as a result of unmotivated bots. Poor argument you have there
ranny
December 9, 2017, 12:51pm
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B
baba’s 70% of Kenyans obeyed his call to resist voting
Kenya definitely has many challenges but Raila, Uhuru, Mudavadi, Ruto or Kalonzo are not the solution. Until we realize that and vote new leaders apart from these, our problems will still continue ravaging us a nation
Ask the luo tribal king how he hopes to become president when his village boys are not even registered voters.
Dunya
December 9, 2017, 9:37pm
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Nyamgondho:
Hmm…not quite. I said here long ago that some talkers worship at Uhuru’s tabernacle and Ruto is the high priest. I don’t know if Raila has talked about Uhuru’s tabernacle yet but these are words straight from my mouth.
I believe that Raila is Kenya’s best bet but I do not worship him. I am not comparable to people like @gashwin or @Dunya who downplay the impact of corruption on our country by labelling it as a "“tired narrative”
So if you hear someone talk of Uhuru’s tabernacle remember you heard it from me first! Cheers.
Wacha kujifanya hapa kutajataja watu. Raila is the biggest tribal king this country has ever witnessed. And the biggest hypocrite at that. This time he lost fair and square. Even the parliamentary, senatorial and civic electoral numbers will tell you that, but what does he do? Shamelessly read some fake msql server logs to the world claiming electoral fraud. But God cannot be conned, and neither can he allow Kenyans to be conned. Then he incites people to their deaths only for him to shed some crocodile tears over their coffins. God is watching. He will die a very bitter loser.
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Uhuru is the leader of the largest party and President of Kenya. What would the difference be if we called him Prime Minister?
hcaikp
December 10, 2017, 1:57am
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@Shaaban , e.g Japan, prime ministers change constantly.
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Shaaban
December 10, 2017, 8:18am
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Because PMs are indirectly elected by people’s representatives eg MPs, senators…while Presidents are directly elected
langatkipro:
I am a strong proponent of parliamentary system over presidential system especially in a nation like ours always filled with allegations of vote rigging. I think we should adopt a parliamentary system of government where the leader of the largest party becomes the prime minister and head of state and government . This will eliminate vote rigging issue because the citizens wont vote fro president but mps and governors only. if one claims that many mps were rigged in, he can petition in the courts and by election will be done and if party wins majority he will take over government. Politicians will thus be able to compete through parties and the citizens will be spared the agony of the electoral process of having to deal with allegations of rigged elections. For inclusivity he should also be deputized by two deputy prime minister and should select ministers from the national assembly. I will also propose we reduce the number of counties by merging ethnically homogeneous counties so as to reduce cost of governance, increase economic viability and sustenance and reduce tensions that would arise from merging ethnically diverse counties. Counties such as Bomet Kericho or Nyamira Kisii or Kajiado Narok or Nandi Uasin Gishu or Kakamega Vihiga Bungoma or Siaya Kisumu Homabay or Nyeri Kirinyaga, Nyandarua, Muranga or Mandera, Garissa Wajir and many others should be merged because they have got the same ethnic prominence. We should also increase allocations to county governments that is 40% of revenue and increase the functions of county governments such as allow them to be in charge of secondary education and primary education and only employ teachers deployed to them by a Teachers Service Commission, The counties should also be in charge of national park and game parks and we develop a revenue sharing formula whereby a county retains 40% of the revenue from its resources such as Tea products, dairy products and other economic activities in the counties while 60% goes to the national government. I think we should also scrap nairobi county and let it be a capital city territory under the jurisdiction of national government. We should also rename our counties and do away with tribal names such as kisii, nandi pokot and let have names that does not reflect tribal identities. if we do this i think we shall have solved our major challenges half way. What is your take?
Our problem is that we are pretenders. Our system is okay, Kenyans are the problem We need to change.
ranny
December 10, 2017, 5:08pm
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Parliamentary system would be a disaster. Those greedy mpigs would keep threatening the executive right to the highest remuneration in the whole world