Ndio hio ya China basi. A very modern vessel.

China walichukua mkebe moja mzee ya Russia wakaipaka rangi na wakajiita super power…

[SIZE=7]China’s Aircraft Carrier: Just an Old Russian Ship That Can’t Fight?[/SIZE]
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October 27, 2017
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The Liaoning, Beijing’s first aircraft carrier, is a refurbished second-hand vessel. But, despite its inauguration in 2012, it appears the vessel’s genuine war-readiness is still in doubt.
Party mouthpieces have all refrained from using the carrier’s former name, Varyag – no surprise, given that the Liaoning was a rusty, semi-scrap hull from Ukraine before it was given a new lease of life (and renamed after the northeastern province where the ship underwent a seven-year refit).
The carrier has already become a new tool for Beijing to whip up patriotic fervour among the masses, as seen by the vessel’s visit to Hong Kong in July, which was part of the military fanfare to mark the 20th anniversary of the territory’s handover.
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But that same visit also enabled observers to have a rare up-close look at the Chinese carrier.

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The Liaoning in Hong Kong Photo: Xinhua
The first thing that famed military affairs commentator Andrei Chang, aka Pinkov, noticed was that the Liaoning may be much lighter in weight than the Russian carrier Admiral Kuznetsov – a vessel of the same class – having analysed thousands of photos he took during the carrier’s open day.

Liaoning has a displacement of 67,500 tonnes. But it appeared that technicians of the People’s Liberation Army Navy have done away with many ship-to-ship and ship-to-air missiles, as well as their launching pads and catapults.

Liaoning’s 15,500 square-meter flight deck was jam-packed with jet fighters like J15s and airborne early-warning aircraft. But there was a conspicuous absence of advanced anti-submarine helicopters, like the much-touted Z-18F with surface radar, plus dipping sonar against torpedoes and missiles, as Chang found.

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Fighter jets are seen parked on Liaoning’s flight deck. Photo: Xinhua
This meant the Liaoning could be susceptible to attacks by submarines even if it had just concluded a high-profile war-game in the East China Sea prior to its Hong Kong port call.

Even Japan’s 27,000 tonne quasi-carrier JS Izumo has a fleet of seven anti-submarine helicopters.

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Military affairs commentator Andrei Chang.
After a tour inside the carrier’s hangar and other maintenance areas, Chang has become skeptical about the Liaoning’s genuine combat-readiness.

“These places are mostly empty, and it’s likely that fighters and other carrier-based aircraft are maintained and repaired somewhere onshore. This is unimaginable in a real war scenario when a seagoing airbase cannot even provide basic maintenance for its planes… US carriers, on the contrary, are all capable [of that],” said Chang.

[SIZE=5]Belching black smoke at Victoria Harbor[/SIZE]
The steam-propelled Liaoning also received much mockery when photos showing it belching black fumes while docking at Victoria Harbour went viral on social media. Indeed, the pictures triggered some protests against the Chinese carrier polluting Hong Kong’s air.

Chang said the black smoke it emitted was probably due to incomplete combustion of heavy fuel with high sulphur content and the issue was not just a matter of image or air pollution. “The temperature of its smoke vents must be very high, making the carrier vulnerable to infrared detection.”

It is an open secret that Beijing dangled bailouts and generous cheap loans to get a stack of Varyag’s design and construction drawings from Ukraine, which reportedly weighed some 20 tonnes and enabled the comprehensive rebuilding of the carrier after it changed hands via a middleman to the Chinese military.

China-made steel, flight-deck structures and weapons systems were subsequently welded to the decades-old Soviet hulk to make a complete carrier.

Yet it remains to be seen if new steel parts in different configurations installed – almost like a whole set of organ transplants – might lead to any complications that may compromise the Liaoning’s structural integrity and its combat capabilities.

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Visitors pose for a photo on Liaoning’s flight deck, on the carrier’s open day in Hong Kong in July. Photo: Xinhua.
Chang’s initial assessment is that the Liaoning is more like a training and research “mock” carrier than a real, war-ready airbase on the sea.

Ma Ding-sheng, host of a well-known military TV talkshow, said in a separate interview that China’s “grade-skipping” – building and operating full-scale carriers from scratch – meant it lacked experience in building such vessels, and there really are no shortcuts.

[SIZE=5]Its ‘1980s technology is already obsolete’[/SIZE]
“You have to gain experience in steps, from running small to medium-sized vertical/short takeoff and landing airbases all the way to big carriers,” said Ma.

And the Liaoning is already becoming obsolete, given it’s a mix of 1980s technologies, which that are dated by today’s standards.

In this regard, as Ma stressed, the vessel’s propulsion system is a key weakness. Nuclear-powered US carriers’ have an obvious upper hand over Beijing’s slower, steam-driven ships.

“A slow-moving carrier can be a drag during when fighters take-off. So, their combat capacity and responsiveness, like conventionally powered ships, need far more frequent refueling during wartime.”

At times you wish you were born an American, sindio?

:D:D:D:D:D… but fate is a bitch.

:D:D:D:D:D:D

China man doesn’t care what anyone thinks of him, as long as he has his aircraft carrier even if it carries 20 planes he is fine.

Kuna ngombe ingine inashindaga ikijaza server na meffi ya America inaitwa @Amused.

If it wasn’t for a global view of ourselves, you’d be talking about the weekend hangovers and the girls who wouldn’t give you any. Be glad that there’re ktalkers who can introduce sense into the madness.

Kuna kitu huitwa proof of concept. Once they are certain they have a grasp on the nitty gritties of running an aircraft carrier, they can build one to their specifications. Same thing happened with their space program.

If reincarnation is true then some of you dolts were the very soldiers crucifying Jesus, while he is currently Donald Trump and we all can’t remember. Sweeet!

Mimi hufurahi nikiona comment kama hizi juu inamaanisha mmekosa rebuttal kabisa.

There’s no comeback on this one except maybe the usual, China is just trying to survive in a cruel white man’s world just like us… once they get the concept they will build their own carriers… you patco you really wish you were American…

hehehe. Thread kama hii haina comeback. Mme Google mkaona, “Fuck it’s actually true China has only one ancient carrier. Ama tuweke zile jet za China? Hapana kitakuja na counter ingine. Lakini hatuwezi jifanya hatujaona… What to do.”

“Yes we’ve got it! We will quietly ignore this carrier business and tell him he’s another white man wannabe!”

Well that doesn’t change the fact that China the “super power in the making” bought an old Russian relic through a private businessman and passed it off as a war vessel that isn’t even war ready! Na vile mnaisifu hapa hakukaliki.

“China super power!”

“China super power!”

Wapi? Watu wananunua mikebe mzee wakuwe super power?!

you missed this in march?

[SIZE=7]China’s First ‘Homemade’ Aircraft Carrier Could Start Sea Trials Next Month[/SIZE]

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March 29, 2018
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China’s first indigenously built aircraft carrier could begin sea trials as early as next month according to official Chinese state media.
The vessel, which is designated as the Type 001A, is currently finishing construction at the Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Company (DSIC) construction site in China’s Liaoning province. The ship does not yet have a name, but she is based on the Soviet Kuznetsov-class design. However, unlike the Kuznetsov-class Liaoning—China’s first carrier—which was originally purchased incomplete from Ukraine in the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Type 001A was built from scratch in China. The ship could sail as early as next month.
"All the equipment and devices on the carrier are in the joint debugging stage, and the main engine has been powered,” DSIC Chairman Liu Zheng said according to a report on cctv.com. “In 2018, we will present a surprise to the Chinese people.”
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The Type 001A, which was launched on April 26, 2017, was constructed remarkably quickly for a carrier. It has taken Beijing only two years to build the roughly 55,000-ton vessel. By comparison, USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78), which is a much larger 100,000-ton nuclear-powered carrier, took nearly eight years to complete. Indeed, China is openly bragging about not only the speed of construction but also the quality of the workmanship on the Type 001A.
“The quality of our construction is also world-class. For example, the world-class standard for the flatness of the flight deck is not more than four percent, and we made it lower than three percent,” Liu said.
The new Chinese carrier could be delivered to the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) by the end of the year. “This all proves that the Type 001A is getting ready for its first sea trial, and the exact timing will depend on factors like the weather and sea conditions. April 23 is Navy Day, the founding day of the PLA Navy [April 23 1949], so this might also be taken into consideration,” Chinese naval analyst Li Jie told the state-owned [I]Global Times[/I].
One of the big differences between Liaoning and the new Type 001A is that while the former was intended to be a test and training asset, the new aircraft carrier is supposed to be an frontline combat vessel. “Liaoning is primarily a platform for training personnel and collecting data through testing, while Type 001A is China’s first carrier made for combat missions, so its name could be more special,”a Chinese military expert from a Beijing-based military academy told the Global Times. “It’s impossible to name it with a person’s name, for only vessels used for scientific research can use a person’s name in China.”
The new carrier will certainly boost the PLAN’s power projection capabilities, however, the new class is likely only an interim step as China embarks on developing more sophisticated flattops. Future Chinese carriers are likely to dispense with the Soviet ski-jump launch technique and adopt catapults—thus enabling far greater capability. This is just the beginning.
Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for The National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter:[I] @davemajumdar[/I].

Aircraft Carriers just carry a few defensive weapons hence why the travel in a strike group of destroyers, submarines, missile ships, etc.

China getting rid of the catapult system is understandable since the Aircraft carrier isn’t powered by Nuclear power. A catapult system consumes a lot of power to and generates a lot of heat. China doesn’t need that its Aircraft carrier is simple and still very deadly of launching a counterstrike if need be.

Gachui niaje huyo writer ako na madharau hivo? Why would he write this:

"…was constructed remarkably
quickly for a carrier. It has taken Beijing
only two years to build the roughly 55,000-
ton vessel. "

Is he trying to say that China, super power China could’ve copy pasted the Russian mkebe? But China doesn’t steal… they are a super power with research and development… kwani hajui China doesn’t steal?

But I actually hope they succeed in their program. na wajenge vizuri very many lives work and live on a carrier. Sio Kenya inunue a cheap Chinese carrier one day seventy years from now and then we lose 2000 people in a second. They should cooperate with Americans and Japanese to ensure safety is key. Hakuna mambo ya national pride waanze kuuzia poor countries rubbish juu najua watatuuzia. Na sio itoe moshi kama hio mkebe wako nayo saa hii.

Also running a carrier fleet is super expensive, is China ready to direct much needed funds into more or less a luxury? Only time will tell.

Hizo catapult system ndio China inahitaji kwanza to minimise wear and tear on their somewhat substandard fighter jets.

Modern safe technology. The Russian jet that dropped into the sea while trying to land on the kuznetsov carrier in my other thread iliisha mafuta kwa hewa. they use up so much fuel on take of on that old school skiing ramp they use as a runway.
Catapult systems minimise fuel wastage and wear and tear on the aircraft.

China has to spend big on research. This is not a toy. Very many lives and huge amounts of investment are at play here. But you know communists hawapendi kuambiwa juu wanajua. hehe. Hopefully hii kitu ita work. Ile ya Russia hio admiral kuznetsov America huwa ina monitor from a distance sometimes juu kanakaa kuanguka kwa maji any time.

No doubt.

But remember this carrier has a specific task of protecting China’s sea island. They’re planning for bigger carriers that will have a catapult system and other defensive measures.

some of these western ninjas have spent their lives writing the failed/failing China story they are yet to get the heads around the modern, efficient china that has literally become a study in logistics management. they had better wake up and smell the coffee…

You do realize that china is still classified as a developing country with a remarkable consistent growth rate. China punches above its weight. To call it a super power is a joke. China is closer to India that it is to the US in terms of development. Even if some people especially Kenyans believe China is a super power, you shouldn’t be having this debate or start threads to ignite such a debate because it’s nonsensical. There are not many things that China does on the global stage that India cannot or isn’t doing for example.