Kagame's strategic propaganda about Rwanda's supposedly brilliant model is slowly being exposed as seriously flawed. Data never lies!

Akina @Wanaruona @T.Vercetti @Abba @mikel @Azor Ahai @Thirimaii @sperminator @sani @Tom Bayeye @Sambamba @Agwambo @ChifuMbitika and @gosh I know you will ask for data, figures, and graphs to prove this.

Well, I have attached the same here below.

[CENTER][SIZE=5]Let us examine the biggest one; Cooking GDP figures and other economic data! [/SIZE][/CENTER]

Many Talkers rightly admire Rwanda’s economic record, but if you look closely at the methodology used to calculate GDP growth, and the poverty index, you will notice that they have radically changed it so much, thus making the comparison of GDP figures across the years impossible, if not absurd.

This is how the manipulation of the methodology occurred according to renowned economists and financial journalists, (including David Himbara, a former economic adviser to Kagame).

In essence, “changes were made in the methodology on rural and urban classifications, consumption definitions, the definition of the poverty line, and consumption thresholds. Put differently, the National Institute of Statistics of Rwanda cleverly used new methodologies, survey designs, and definitions, without retroactively adjusting the assumptions and variables affecting the past surveys”. (From the economist)

Shockingly, if the survey methodology consistently applied international thresholds of measuring poverty levels and GDP, it would actually show that poverty figures actually went up from 2010 to 2015.

(Side note: Could these be the reason why many low-skilled Rwandese have emigrated to Kenya and Uganda in search of better economic fortunes because of a weak informal sector in their homeland? Could this also be the reason why life outside Kigali looks so vastly different - like the rural poverty we used to see in Kenya in the 1990s?). Rwanda seems to have a very huge disparity between impressive GDP figures and actual visible poverty.

Anyway, here is a more detailed technical explanation by a practicing economist regarding Rwanda’s curious change of methodology.

[CENTER]"Using different poverty lines from (Integrated Household Living Conditions Survey) EICV3 to EICV4 means direct comparisons lack meaning, but the knowledge of how the poverty line was changed for 2013/4 allows us to work out a more meaningful comparison of poverty between the two periods.

We can do this by starting from the 2010/11 poverty figure of 45%, but then adapting the 2010/11 poverty line in the same proportion (-19 points) as the 2013/14 adjustment. Based on the EICV3 micro data and lowering the poverty line by 19%, the actual poverty figure is then 33% in 2010/11. There is nothing wrong in principle with a working out a new poverty line for EICV4 – as “many changes in the socio-economic structure of the country have taken place [since the first EICV in 2000/1]” – but even if the change is accepted, the 2013/14 report should measure change in poverty using a comparable poverty figure in 2010/11, namely 33% instead of 45%.

In other words, the new line needs to be applied retrospectively to past surveys. The genuine comparison from 2010/11 to 2013/14 therefore is not from 45% to 39%, but from 33% to 39%. What this suggests is that rather than a decrease of 6 points in poverty, what the EICV4 actually shows is an increase of 6 points".


According to the economist, this is why, “since 2005 Rwanda’s figures have diverged, with surveys showing that consumption has stagnated, despite seemingly impressive GDP growth. Some economists reckon that the gap between the two had widened to about 50% by 2013”. The government employs a lower poverty threshold than most other countries. Using the international threshold of the equivalent of $1.90 per day, 56% of Rwandans were extremely poor in 2017, says the World Bank; by the government’s measure, 38% were. Mr Reyntjens reckons that much of the official reduction of poverty is due to a change in the way it was calculated. In 2011 Rwanda’s poverty line was based on the cost of buying a basket of food that accurately reflected what poor Rwandans ate. In 2014 it reduced the poverty threshold by 19% by selecting a different basket, with the same number of calories, that they might in theory buy. Had it not changed the basket, its calculations would have shown that poverty actually rose over that period, rather than falling.

Other metrics that we could use include FDIs. For instance, despite being hailed as a top contender in the ease of doing business in Africa, many will be shocked to learn that many multinationals have not invested in the country. Instead, many of them chose corrupt countries like Kenya to establish their regional operations. Why is that?

How do you achieve great rankings from the World Bank and other donor groups, yet you can’t attract foreign owners of capital to invest in your country?

Even at the domestic front, Rwanda doesn’t have a vibrant informal sector and class mobility like say Kenya or Uganda.

And guys, forget about the bad Kenyan economy at the moment and look at the bigger picture, a small medium enterprise is more likely to succeed in Kenya than in Rwanda despite our high levels corruption, over regulation, and political instability.

Good deep analysis but still their quality of life is better. How much is price per liter of petrol there ?

That’s true, the quality of life seems better overall. Kwanza security in Kigali is superb. You don’t have to worry about muggings and such things.

Rwanda is one place I’d love to visit to osha mecho if nothing else

Theoretically let’s say rwanda is poor… But haven’t heard of food aids in rwanda or people dying due to lack of it.
Securitywise hata hukoashinani iko bien
Environment conscious country in Africa
Discipline ya raiya iko top notch.
The point is, they are heading to a better position. Factor in 1994, waliingia factory settings!

Kagame and Museveni are agents of the western parasitic owners of capital who loot resources in congo.


Wamejaa Kasarani shopping center. They operate nail palors and barbershops. There’s no need to go to Kigali

So far if it means well to the commonner, let Kagame be.

From my understanding, lanye prices will rise by 2%

Just google

Great lakes region don’t suffer from famine. Tropical forests ensures ample rain and thus plenty of food. No matter how poor they are.

Staki hao

Rwanda nikiomoka lazima niland nisafishe mecho na rungu.


It’s not expensive to go there. Covid ikiisha Ingia Mash buses and you will land there.

Wacha kufanya budget za air ticket and you will be going there every month.

Better indicator. How much petrol can you buy with 15% of your net salary?

Those are congos

Hapana hao wa huku hatuwataki. We going to the honey pot kwenyewe. Si mumesema security hata interior ni safi. Tunaendea hao poor tuwe tuna wa import huku from time to time pole pole. Vienyeji safi wa ki Rwanda. Madem huku Kenya wana behave kama hood rats wote.

Any African country that tries to rise up must be cut down to size - and there are dozens of economists and other mercenaries who’ll do the job ffor some coins. Anybody who doubts what Kagame has achieved for Rwanda needs their head checked.