Alternative History - what if Africa was never colonized

[Superman_wa_Nairofi]

@RV Pundit

Colonization advanced the African kitu 4000 years, yani we had not even invented the wheel or reached societal development level of Iraq 2000BC. It was not a favour but it sure did good for the continent.

Misconceptions Ep. 3 - Too Primitive to Develop the Wheel or Writing

[Slim_fit]

2, 6, 7, 9 is on point. There would be no roads as we know them today; just 1-3 metre size paths formed by cattle. If you talk to anyone born before 1945, you’ll get a clear picture of how colonization shifted minds from survival and being content with a full stomach; to developments that enabled other developments.

[Superman_wa_Nairofi]

@fishmonger

1.Why did none of the African tribes build ships and ventured to other continents to trade and spread the African religions?

The Forgotten History of African Sailors

@fishmonger

2. Why did none of the African empires/chiefdoms/kingdoms manage to control even half of the sub-saharan continent?

Why African Empires are so Small and are They Even Real Empires?

[Superman_wa_Nairofi]

My first thread in Ktalk was similar to this ( https://www.kenyatalk.com/index.php?threads/alternate-kenyan-history.51514/ )

[Nostradumbass]

@RV Pundit

Colonization advanced the African kitu 4000 years, yani we had not even invented the wheel or reached societal development level of Iraq 2000BC. It was not a favour but it sure did good for the continent.

Dude, according to history Africans were sailing and trading with south Americans as early as 300bc.

[Mwanakijiji]

@RV Pundit

Colonization advanced the African kitu 4000 years, yani we had not even invented the wheel or reached societal development level of Iraq 2000BC. It was not a favour but it sure did good for the continent.

:D:D you and most Africans dont know any African history… and nobody knows for sure who invented the wheel and who was not using the wheel

[Euler]

@eddy mahelo

Sometimes i imagine how Africa would be if we were never colonized…
What if Europeans came to Africa and instead of the brutality and hostile take over, started trading with us as we were… selling us their manufactured goods and taking raw materials fair and square…

effects…my opinion
1.National borders would be totally different
2.The most forward looking and expansionist tribes would have acquired guns and started invading and assimilating the weaker tribes…
3.Maybe the black man would not be looking down on himself and thinking he is a lesser being
4.Most of Africa would be atheist, after discovering there is no God on the Mt Kenya for the GEMA tribes and that there is no God who gifted masais cows… religion would have been abandoned.

5.Africa would have had very brutal wars around 1920 - 1960 that would have formed nations around a common agenda…
6.Our languages would be totally different… maybe the maa language would be the most spoken language around the modern day place called Kenya

7.In the current Kenya, i think a country would have formed around the alliance of Kikuyu, Embu, Meru , Kambas, Masais and the coastal tribes…

The Kikuyus and the masais used to trade and inter-marry, The Kambas were long distance traders who ventured into the interior and traded with the tribes living around Mt Kenya and to the coast, An alliance of mutual benefit of defence and trade would have arisen out this interaction… the biggest enemy would have been the Somalis

9.The Somalis would be one huge powerful nation united by a common language and religion

10. Kisiis, Luhyas,Luos and Kalenjins and closer ethnicities would have formed another nation out of trade interactions, shared cultures and to defend themselves from the hostile tribes from north uganda and south sudan…

This alliance would have probably extended to the tribes living around the lake victoria…

Africa would have been totally different…

I get your curiosity. But why are humans so concerned with alternative history? Is it because we are unable to control current events thus we seek nostalgic in history?

[eddy_mahelo]

@FireOne Euler

I get your curiosity. But why are humans so concerned with alternative history? Is it because we are unable to control current events thus we seek nostalgic in history?

1.Curiosity is what drives the human civilization forward, otherwise we would be no different from cows that eat grass n then take a break to chew cud…
n then continue eating again, then wait for nature to run its course.
2.history helps us to place our past into scrutiny and see where we could the same mistakes in the future (NB - this is an area only for the wise n intelligent, you can be excused, no one will judge you)

[LuandaMagere]

@eddy mahelo

They had been weakened but in the 1700 towards 1800s they were fearsome… the Arab slave traders never ventured deep into the east african interior because of that… they were told that a fearsome worrior tribe hunts the souls of men :D…

kamba traders went where arab slave traders couldn’t … alafu you will find tukana & maasai who even live behind lake turkana speaking great kiswahili , i thought it was because they interacted with swahili merchants ?

[Modest]

@LuandaMagere

kamba traders went where arab slave traders couldn’t … alafu you will find tukana & maasai who even live behind lake turkana speaking great kiswahili , i thought it was because they interacted with swahili merchants ?

That aside Op must understand pastoralism doesn’t not ensure growth in times of famine & drought the people die out.
The Bantu expansion was large because of iron working and farming.You find communities were being assimilated for example in Rwanda.
Maa could never have become the most spoken language because population was very small compared to other communities and still is today.
You may also realise close relations of the languages of western Bantus to that of Bantus in Uganda and western parts of Tanganyika all the way to south and central Africa. Unity of these factions present a bigger larger force.
Also Luo language relations in Uganda and the Luo of Tanzania if a single force without intermixing with other communities.

[IsMundu]

@eddy mahelo

religion would have been abandoned

Religion cannot be abandoned - replaced maybe. Religion - in one form or another - is at the center of almost all aspects of human social life.

[Euler]

@eddy mahelo

1.Curiosity is what drives the human civilization forward, otherwise we would be no different from cows that eat grass n then take a break to chew cud…
n then continue eating again, then wait for nature to run its course.
2.history helps us to place our past into scrutiny and see where we could the same mistakes in the future (NB - this is an area only for the wise n intelligent, you can be excused, no one will judge you)

You totally missed my point. If only you approached it from a wider perspective. Many scholars have questioned this obession with counter-history. I’m also guilty of it

[eddy_mahelo]

@IsMundu

Religion cannot be abandoned - replaced maybe. Religion - in one form or another - is at the center of almost all aspects of human social life.

but the chinese n russians have, n in western Europe is headed there

[Starscream]

@Master Gibbs

[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]AFRICA IS STILL UNDER COLONISATION.

Tell them

[IsMundu]

@eddy mahelo

but the chinese n russians have, n in western Europe is headed there

Incidentally, aethism is protected under freedom of religion and worship. So an aspect of religion comes to play.