A most brutal analysis!!

:D:D:D From the Moscow Times

[SIZE=7]Russia’s Plane-Making Ambition Exceeds Its Competence[/SIZE]
[SIZE=6]The Sukhoi Superjet that crashed on Sunday was an assertion of post-Soviet industrial might. It ended up exposing Putin-era weakness instead.[/SIZE]
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By Leonid Bershidsky
May. 6, 2019
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The crash at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport that killed 41 people on Sunday hasn’t been fully explained yet. Yet it should serve as a reminder that post-imperial ambitions have a cost, including in human lives.
The doomed Aeroflot Sukhoi Superjet 100 had returned to the airport some 30 minutes after takeoff due to a lightning strike, then made a hard landing and burst into flames as it bounced on the runway. The SSJ 100 is the only passenger airplane designed in Russia after the breakup of the Soviet Union that is used commercially today. The malfunction-prone plane is a headline project of the Putin era, an attempt to leverage the expertise of fighter-plane maker Sukhoi to claw back some Soviet-era airplane-building glory. It should be clear by now that the attempt has failed, at least for the time being. :D:D @Randy @Wafs

The former empire prided itself on not using imported planes as a matter of national security. The Soviet aircraft industry employed some 2 million people at the end of the 1980s, and about 150 civilian airplanes a year were produced.

But in the mid-1990s, the industry died a painful death as impoverished Russians flew less and the Boeing-Airbus duopoly outcompeted the Soviet factories and design firms. After President Vladimir Putin came to power in 2000, the Russian government made a concerted effort to re-nationalize what was left of the Soviet aircraft industry and bring new planes to market. Making planes in Russia was for Putin a matter of national prestige, a sign that Russia remained a great power on a par with the U.S. and Europe and ahead of China (which, in recent years, has also made an effort to compete with passenger jets of its own, made by a state-owned company).
The Sukhoi project, proposed by a company without experience making civilian planes but with a history of successful warplane exports, was chosen in 2002 over another one, based on designs from the Tupolev organization, and became pretty much the only government-backed project in the industry by 2006. It received direct state financing and loans from state-controlled banks.

Boeing was a high-profile consultant on the project, and parts were sourced from some 40 companies based in 10 countries.

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The future looked reasonably bright at first for the SSJ, which was finally certified to fly in 2011. That year, the low-cost Mexican airline Interjet ordered 30 of the planes, lured by a low introductory price. There was interest from other buyers outside Russia, too. But in May, 2012, an SSJ 100 crashed into an Indonesian mountainside during a demonstration flight, killing 37 prospective clients and journalists as well as two Sukhoi representatives and six crew members. The crash was blamed on pilot error, but a major accident so early in the plane’s history undermined confidence in it — for good reasons, as it later transpired.
As foreign interest largely dried up, the government pushed the SSJs on Russian airlines, primarily Aeroflot, which agreed to take 50 of the planes if Sukhoi, part of the state-controlled United Aircraft Building Corporation, compensated it for downtime. The compensation made the huge deal unprofitable for the manufacturer but tolerable for Aeroflot. [SIZE=5]Now, 106 of the 139 SSJs in commercial use fly for Russian airlines.:smiley:[/SIZE]

Neither the airlines nor Russian regulators publish statistics on how the planes are used, but available sources show that airlines are having trouble keeping the SSJs in the air. According to leaked data for 2018, the average SSJ 100 used by a Russian airline flies for about 109 hours a month, roughly a third as much as a Boeing or an Airbus and slightly more than half as much as Brazilian-made Embraer-170s with about as many seats (78 versus 87 for Aeroflot’s SSJs).
The Superjet has proved unreliable for the few foreign buyers that took a chance on it, too. Earlier this year, the only European company that used SSJs, Ireland-based CityJet, returned all seven of its Russian planes to the leasing company.:D:D:D

Mexico’s Interjet, the original buyer, has been forced to cannibalize some of the planes because of a parts shortage and a lack of Sukhoi service infrastructure in the Americas. Last year, Sukhoi was forced to reimburse the airline for persistent technical faults.:D:D:D

Last month, a much-touted contract for 15 SSJs with Slovenia’s Adria Airways was unexpectedly canceled. It was clear even before Sunday’s crash that Sukhoi’s initial plans to sell 800 Superjets by 2024, 500 of them outside Russia, were dead. :eek:

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Though the Russian authorities haven’t grounded the Superjet, the fatal crash — the second major one in its less than 10-year history despite the small number of planes in use — will further undermine its reputation regardless of the outcome of the investigation. More than a decade of Russian government investment into the idea that Russia can be a competitive aircraft maker so far has delivered proof to the contrary.

The SSJ should be grounded pending a thorough investigation. That’s what U.S. authorities did, albeit reluctantly and under pressure, when faced with evidence of recurring problems with the Boeing 737 Max, even though the reputational damage and potential for financial losses are much higher in Boeing’s case than in the Superjet’s. That the Aeroflot SSJ, originally bound for the northern city of Murmansk, only caught fire on the ground, making it impossible to save more than half of the 78 people on board, [SIZE=5]suggests the presence of [/SIZE][SIZE=6]dangerous design defects[/SIZE][SIZE=5] even more serious than the frequent technical problems.[/SIZE]

As for the post-imperial ambition of reviving Soviet aircraft manufacturing, there’s no need to rush it even in the face of competition with China (which hasn’t been particularly successful with its aircraft project, either). Russia’s engineering brainpower and strong legacy in the industry should make it possible to produce good commercial planes someday.
Earlier this year, Putin urged Russian aircraft builders to work on a civilian version of the Tu-160 supersonic strategic bomber. Russia does make strongly competitive warplanes, and that gives it a lot to build on. [SIZE=6]But the ill-fated SSJ project should serve as a warning against haste and hype. Malfunctioning planes can kill people. [/SIZE][SIZE=6]Humility, caution and perfectionism, as a rule, don’t. :eek::D:D:D[/SIZE]

This article was originally published in Bloomberg Content.

That’s American propaganda at best!

Why wont Bloomberg write the same about boeing incompetence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QytfYyHmxtc

Sawa you have “made your point” Next.Happy?

Sukhoi sounds similar to ‘Sugoi’. If you know you know.

Antonov 225 Rules the air

I have a strong feeling that the local kalenjin ‘military expert’ who in reality is a farmer pronounces that word exactly like that.

“My fren you know I’m an exbat in tis tings. I have a white pickup so I know tis tings. I’m an exbat. You know the sugoi fighter chet can pit the rabta any tay!”

Russia should refocus most of its wealth on growing its economy and being a regional power instead of trying to compete with an economy almost 10 times its size (uncle sam) or one about 8 times its size (china).

They can easily do this because of their nuclear deterrent. Nato wouldnt dare attack them just like putin wouldnt dare attack Nato.

This isnt the first major russian failure. They tried to send a satellite to mars which spectacularly crashlanded back to earth.

they should increase their economy instead of doing prestige projects and steal as much tech as they can through espionage from the west then use this in any future projects

The author is just hating,the ssj is built using western components from engines,landing gears etc. Russia suffered a lot of brain drain in the 90’s especially engineers and designers,that they were able to build a plane that actually flies is an achievement in itself.

NASA relies on Russia to ferry astronouts…hii sugoi issue ni kidogo

This a world of survivor for the fittest, before you build a good house and buy a nice car make sure your fence is firm and you have a gun. Ask gadaffi

Bro, the Russians already have one of the worlds best conventional forces. And their nuclear deterrent provides an excellent “Fence” as you put it. No need for them to go toe to toe with the US. Even China with an economy much bigger than Russia’s are not militarily challenging the US. But they know in a couple of decades to come, they should be in a position to do so if the need arises.

Nuclear deterrence works. A country like North Korea, with a smaller economy than kenya (almost 1/3 of kenya’s), is giving trump sleepless nights. You cannot even begin to compare North Koreas nuclear capability with Russia’s yet no one is gonna touch them. Russia is already secure and they are already among the “Fittest” even in conventional forces.

Gaddafi was a Mad Dog. Sahau huyo.

Space technology is central to military might. Given a similar budget, Russia would achieve as much as the United States. China, though still behind the US and Russia in space technology, is making headway in space matters because it can afford to commit a huge budget. Russia gave us the first satellite in 1957, and the first satellite to orbit the moon 1966. In both instances, it cleared many questions that others did not have to worry about.

Rule of thumb; Always appraise the credentials of the author before wanking yourself to a comma on naked propaganda.

But remember, for the USSR to be in that exclusive club of superpower back in the days of sputnik or Yuri Gagarin, they sacrificed a hell of alot in terms of their peoples living standards. All their money was going into weapons and R&D whereas the US people enjoyed one of the highest standards of living and could still go toe to toe with the Russians. People visiting USSR said it had a feel of a third world country because of the peoples living standards. You have situations where a couple of families live in ONE apartment and this was the norm. The only thing first world about it was basically its military might.

Ultimately, in the 80s, Reagan initiated an arms race while keeping the price of oil on the international market low (the soviets main export and cash earner) which the soviets could not keep up. This was one of the reasons that led to the fall of the USSR.

Space, given current tech, is not really important. If the USSR decides to fire its ballistic missiles at USA, I doubt having anything in space will stop it. But it may take on more importance in future. Russia’s priority right now should be to grow its economy and use espionage (a field in which the Russians excel at) to gain tech being researched in the US, china and other western nations

Remember, Russia got its first Atom Bomb through espionage. They thus spent far less than the americans researching it.

:D:D:D:D will that make the article less true?!! Less hard hitting?!!

Mjamaa amesema all that needs saying. He has hit all the marks. And he is a Russian from Russia who knows Putin well enough.

Hajaongeza chumvi yoyote. Ameambia Putin ndege sio missile. This is a contraption that carries many humans and not a prestige project.

Dictator na yeye anafikiria he can just force a national aeroplane out of his military guys.

Mind you Putin isn’t building a plane to further his people in transport but rather ijulikane ni yeye alijenga. Same way with Gathecha. His projects are prestige projects and not to move Kenyans forward, coz he never consults any Kenyans on their actual needs!!

Na by the way nilitoa hii article THE MOSCOW TIMES sio Bloomberg. THE MOSCOW TIMES.

Link ndio hio :

Russia’s Plane-Making Ambition Exceeds Its Competence - The Moscow Times

[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]UPDATE:

And as expected they are blaming the pilots.:D:D:D

Don’t dare blaming it on Putin’s baby. :D:D:eek:

This passenger interviewed recently took the words right out of my mouth:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/investigators-reportedly-suspect-pilots-mistakes-led-fiery-russian/story?id=62872768

Sunday’s crash has prompted an outcry by some in Russia against the planes. But the Transport minister, Dietrich said there were currently no reason to ground the Superjets.

Meanwhile, a few harrowing accounts from passengers have been slowly emerging. One man, Oleg Molchanov told the popular news site Meduza that he had been sitting in the twelfth row and that no one behind him got out.

“I went last – there was already no one behind me,” Molchanov said. “I think the passengers there had no chance to save themselves. They were suffocated by carbon monoxide, everything was drenched in kerosene. The lamps were melting in front of my eyes,” he said.

Molchanov praised the flight attendants, saying they did “everything bordering on the impossible” to get people out.

One attendant, 22 year-old Maksim Moiseyev died in the fire and has been hailed as a hero in Russia media after he stayed aboard battling to get the rear door’s open.

Molchanov told Meduza he was skeptical about the investigation, saying he expected the pilots would be blamed regardless. “I am not an expert and I can’t say what led to the emergency, but I think that in any case they will blame the pilots. If they’re guilty then it’s clear, and if they’re not guilty then they’ll still hang everything on them. No one is going to cancel Putin’s Superjet project,” he said.

[COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Enough said Mr. Molchanov. You’ve said it all.