Who created God?

thesavage

Village Sponsor
#41
So how do you know the Quran is correct and the Bible is wrong? Can you prove Jesus is not the son of God? Because the Bible says Jesus is the son of God.
Jesus is the Word. If you walk that path, do not deviate. If you get stuck on semantics, you will miss the main point. The jew rejected the Mashiah, but he will be saved. Even St Paul, a Christian said it. If you have good reason to reject a solution for a sum, use your own method. If you can.
 
#43
Jesus is the Word. If you walk that path, do not deviate. If you get stuck on semantics, you will miss the main point. The jew rejected the Mashiah, but he will be saved. Even St Paul, a Christian said it. If you have good reason to reject a solution for a sum, use your own method. If you can.
How do you know Jesus was the true messiah? How can you know more about messiahs than the jews themselves? This is like saying you know more about medicine than doctors themselves!
 

Sumeya

Village Elder
#44
So how do you know the Quran is correct and the Bible is wrong? Can you prove Jesus is not the son of God? Because the Bible says Jesus is the son of God.
Islam believe that jesus was a prophet just like Moses, Abraham,Noah and Muhammad.
God is supreme, He don't need offspring
 
#45
Islam believe that jesus was a prophet just like Moses, Abraham,Noah and Muhammad.
God is supreme, He don't need offspring
Yes..yet Christians worship Jesus. Tell me, isn't worshiping a prophet a sin according to Islam? Isn't that committing idolatry? Can Christians enter heaven if they commit idolatry every day?
 

thesavage

Village Sponsor
#47
How do you know Jesus was the true messiah? How can you know more about messiahs than the jews themselves? This is like saying you know more about medicine than doctors themselves!
Being a doctor myself, ...:D:D:D Hahahaaaa... I am not kidding btw.

Start here: You don't.

No one is forcing me/you to reject (or accept). What I do is more important to me than what you do. A big problem with religious arguments is that they start with, "Why do YOU?" Rather than "Why do I?"
 

Arnono

Village Elder
#49
There's no need to put a God who has not been shown to exist in the equation, let's continue discovering what can be examined and measured. Problem becomes when people want to posit a God and then claim to know his characteristics and what he wants from us and just want us to take it on very bad evidence
There's a lot that's been hypothesized in science, including ages of our planet down to the big bang.
It makes no sense why people should claim that there's life outside earth and in the same breath, deny the existence of an intelligent Creator.
 

Tom Bayeye

Kinyozi wa Stima Jebedeyo
#51
There's a lot of stuff we men are yet to grasp, hence the huge disconnect to God
Nah man,its all misconstrued religious brainwash. You know you have questions but you've grown up not to question them so it has become the norm and you live by what you are told to do or else face being an outcast.
 
#55
I don't picture God as a being, or A creation... I think God is more of elements such as Love, Life, time, truth, power, law, Knowledge, etc.
These always existed before everything
Well said.
Actually, if you think of God as a being, you are complicating the explanation. All beings of different status and capabilities originates from God. He is the source of consciousness and everything.
 
#57
You are a skeptical person. Is ok. But religious cosmology is intriguing. This is from vedas written long before quantum physics:

  • Concept of Multiverse or MWI:

The Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics holds that there are many worlds which exist in parallel at the same space and time as our own. The existence of the other worlds makes it possible to remove randomness and action at a distance from quantum theory and thus from all physics.

The concept of multiverses is mentioned many times in Hindu Puranic literature, such as in the Bhagavata Purana.
Every universe is covered by seven layers — earth, water, fire, air, sky, the total energy and false ego — each ten times greater than the previous one. There are innumerable universes besides this one, and although they are unlimitedly large, they move about like atoms in You. Therefore You are called unlimited (Bhagavata Purana 6.16.37)​
What am I, a small creature measuring seven spans of my own hand? I am enclosed in a potlike universe composed of material nature, the total material energy, false ego, ether, air, water and earth. And what is Your glory? Unlimited universes pass through the pores of Your body just as particles of dust pass through the openings of a screened window (Bhagavata Purana 10.14.11)​
Source: Hindu cosmology
  • Story of Revati and Time Dilation:
Revati was the only daughter of King Kakudmi. Feeling that no human could prove to be good enough to marry his lovely and talented daughter, Kakudmi took Revati with him to Brahmaloka (abode of Brahma) to ask the God's advice about finding a suitable husband for Revati. Then, Kakudmi bowed humbly, made his request and presented his shortlist of candidates. Brahma laughed loudly, and explained that time runs differently on different planes of existence, and that during the short time they had waited in Brahmaloka to see him, 27 chatur-yugas had passed on Earth and all the candidates had died long ago. Brahma added that Kakudmi was now alone as his friends, ministers, servants, wives, kinsmen, armies, and treasures had now vanished from Earth and he should soon bestow his daughter to a husband as Kali yuga was near.​
Source: Revati
In the theory of relativity, time dilation is a difference of elapsed time between two events as measured by observers either moving relative to each other or differently situated from a gravitational mass or masses.
  • Grandiose time scales:
Hindu cosmology involves some very large numbers. Just for example, the age of Earth predicted in Vishnu Purana (ancient Hindu scripture) is 4.32 billion years which is quite close to the current estimate of the age of the Earth - 4.5 billion years.
Carl Sagan was so impressed with such large numbers, the kind of which do not feature in creation myths of other civilizations, that he mentioned it in his Cosmos series:
“It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, no doubt, by accident, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the earth or the sun and about half of the time since the big bang. And there are much longer time scales still.”​
But if you compare the numbers from Hindu cosmology with current estimates from science, it becomes clear how wrong they are. The estimated age of the Universe is 13.7 billion years, whereas according to Hindu cosmology it is 155 trillion years. Even if we ignore that number and take the start of a mahayuga to mean the start of the Universe or the birth of Earth, the age of current mahayuga - 120 million years is nowhere close to either the age of the Earth or the Universe. Of all the numbers listed in Vishnu Purana, just one number - 4.32 billion years - comes close to a number given by science.
  • Big Bang, Big Crunch hypothesis and endless cycle of destruction and creation of universe in Hindu Cosmology:
Big Crunch: The Big Crunch is one possible scenario for the ultimate fate of the universe, in which the metric expansion of space eventually reverses and the universe re-collapses, ultimately ending as a black hole singularity or causing a reformation of the universe starting with another big bang.
Hinduism is the only religion that propounds the idea of life-cycles of the universe. It suggests that the universe undergoes an infinite number of deaths and rebirths.
wahindi na Budhists ndo wanajua how all this works
 
#58
There's a lot that's been hypothesized in science, including ages of our planet down to the big bang.
It makes no sense why people should claim that there's life outside earth and in the same breath, deny the existence of an intelligent Creator.
Who has claimed there's life outside earth if there is he/she's no scientist. Life outside earth would not violate nature but a God would and that's why they say it's possible to have life outside earth since the building blocks of life are abundant in the cosmos. You have to prove the possibility of a god/gods for them to be considered an option
 

2eyeperto

Village Elder
#59
It makes no sense, asking who created God.
If you want to prove that all religions are BS from logical side, it is extremely stupid. Also, the people who try to prove the existence of God are stupid. God has nothing to do with the concepts that we got used to use in our everyday life and on our planet. God is transcendental which means that God exists outside out world of real things. We know nothing about that environment, so, we don't know the laws of that environment which implies that perhaps there is no time or space or anything else. Belief in God is just belief and it depends on you whether you want to believe in that or not. No possible scientific proofs are possible here, so asking such questions will only bring about some arguments and conflicts but they will never make us understand the truth. What does make sense is what cause the Big Bang. I suggest you to address your energy and resources to learning about this fact as knowing the truth will help us understand much more about the universe we live in and about ourselves.
 

Euler

Village Elder
#60
A very good question. The likes of @Purple ask atheists: "where did the cell that evolved come from"? The more sophisticated ones ask: "who created the conditions that led to the big bang explosion?". Now I ask, where did their god or gods come from?
 

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