Where Is Heaven And Where Is Hell?

thesavage

Village Sponsor
#5
Are they on this galaxy and how will we supposedly get there after death?

Man made God in his own image, in his own head.
Flesh and blood "cannot inherit the kingdom of God" is the general thrust of all spirituals/zadiks/sages from all religions who wrote on the subject. No one who has traversed the veil separating the parallel existence from our physical existence and lived is able to explain what happened. St Paul for example, when he was caught in the 3rd heaven, he says he does not know whether he was in the body or out of the body. Our consciouness is a part of something greater that exists in a spiritual realm beyond the physical realm. Space and time is an illusion. Consciousness is a presence. Those other realms exist here and now. And there are many. A change in vibration of a consciouness is what renders one to be a presence in one realm or another realm.
 

Don_Bamb1no

Village Elder
#6
This the last time you see me posting in this category ndindu either your fishing for information or your troll no offence I've noted your threads are always cleverly phrased in earlier threads we've talked about
planes of existence not planets ( the physical plane known as the 3rd dimension )
Heaven and hell are external
for more you can research on NDE testimonies ,look at the Hindu believes
,book of Enoch on luminaries ,astral projection , the Bible , listen to experiences of LSD and mushrooms trips among others
 
#7
Flesh and blood "cannot inherit the kingdom of God" is the general thrust of all spirituals/zadiks/sages from all religions who wrote on the subject. No one who has traversed the veil separating the parallel existence from our physical existence and lived is able to explain what happened. St Paul for example, when he was caught in the 3rd heaven, he says he does not know whether he was in the body or out of the body. Our consciouness is a part of something greater that exists in a spiritual realm beyond the physical realm. Space and time is an illusion. Consciousness is a presence. Those other realms exist here and now. And there are many. A change in vibration of a consciouness is what renders one to be a presence in one realm or another realm.
Just about everything you have claimed cannot be verified/proven. In fact, it is even unclear how you yourself know of these many so-called reams that supposedly exist given that you have never physically seen, touched or entered them. Even the testimony of that St Paul you have mentioned, it is impossible to ascertain whether he was making that stuff up or telling the truth. I am pretty certain all who believe in his testimony are, conveniently, his followers/catholics.
 

thesavage

Village Sponsor
#8
Just about everything you have claimed cannot be verified/proven. In fact, it is even unclear how you yourself know of these many so-called reams that supposedly exist given that you have never physically seen, touched or entered them. Even the testimony of that St Paul you have mentioned, it is impossible to ascertain whether he was making that stuff up or telling the truth. I am pretty certain all who believe in his testimony are, conveniently, his followers/catholics.
It i impossile? It is now generally accepted in the physicists community that only 4% of matter existing here and now can be accounted for by the ambient gravitation. 96% of matter that exists cannot be detected otherwise. Scientists know there is something out there....and by scientists am talking Einstein stature kind of minds. As for us of little understanding, we either go meditate, or just stay that way. In my experience, no one is willing or able to do that part of the homework for you.
 
#9
96% of matter that exists cannot be detected otherwise. Scientists know there is something out there....
Why did you stop there? Why didn't you finish the statement you were making? How do scientists know dark matter exists? Do they know it exists because they listened to testimonies of people who saw dark matter? Do they know it exists simply because they believe it exists and, therefore, it must exist? Of course not. Scientists know dark matter is there because they are able to OBSERVE its effects on visible objects. And this is all am saying, I just want some sort of proof/evidence that these reams you claim exist, actually exist.
 

thesavage

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#10
Why did you stop there? Why didn't you finish the statement you were making? How do scientists know dark matter exists? Do they know it exists because they listened to testimonies of people who saw dark matter? Do they know it exists simply because they believe it exists and, therefore, it must exist? Of course not. Scientists know dark matter is there because they are able to OBSERVE its effects on visible objects. And this is all am saying, I just want some sort of proof/evidence that these reams you claim exist, actually exist.
You are a scientist? I am not. Except for shallow reading on the quantum physics, I have never been in a particle accelerator. You have probably been in one, and it appears "OBSERVE" is your way to heaven. What I am telling you is that scientists now suspect the existence of other worlds different from what we experience as "The Universe". I feel very uncomfortable when we make statements like; "It is impossible..." when talking on subjects like spirituality. Whether you accept it or not, many people will confront you with talk of worlds outside the physical, talking even about creatures and beings from other worlds etc. Apparently, spirituality is not your cup of tea. Accepting that and proceeding with life from that point of view is very practical, considering. However, insisting that other people should not have alternative points of view because it is contrary to your observations is very lame.
 
#11
This the last time you see me posting in this category ndindu either your fishing for information or your troll no offence I've noted your threads are always cleverly phrased in earlier threads we've talked about
planes of existence not planets ( the physical plane known as the 3rd dimension )
Heaven and hell are external
for more you can research on NDE testimonies ,look at the Hindu believes
,book of Enoch on luminaries ,astral projection , the Bible , listen to experiences of LSD and mushrooms trips among others
:D:D Hahaha ati research NDE( near death experiences).... You ever realize anybody who had a NDE always writes a book and makes millions ...and most are omusungu ...wow people are brainwashed...


Anyways ...the white Jesus paradiso in the clouds doesn't exist and the black devil in fake hell is a lie (the devil does not exist)...

Heaven and hell are more of "ideologies"... But this is a simplified explanation from me
 
#12
You are a scientist? I am not. Except for shallow reading on the quantum physics, I have never been in a particle accelerator. You have probably been in one, and it appears "OBSERVE" is your way to heaven. What I am telling you is that scientists now suspect the existence of other worlds different from what we experience as "The Universe". I feel very uncomfortable when we make statements like; "It is impossible..." when talking on subjects like spirituality. Whether you accept it or not, many people will confront you with talk of worlds outside the physical, talking even about creatures and beings from other worlds etc. Apparently, spirituality is not your cup of tea. Accepting that and proceeding with life from that point of view is very practical, considering. However, insisting that other people should not have alternative points of view because it is contrary to your observations is very lame.
Bro, you are literally making up stuff I did not say and proceeding to argue against stuff I did not say.

Point no.1 "impossibility". I said it is impossible to ascertain whether testimonies of these people who claim to have visited spiritual reams are true or false. Tell me, is it possible? If it is, how would it be done? If it has been done, where is the proof?

Point no. 2 You were talking about 4% of matter is seen and the rest unseen. You were on the topic of anti-matter/dark matter. When you were referring to scientists you were not speaking about multiple universes, you were speaking about dark matter. Scientists DO NOT agree other universes exist.

Point no. 3 "insisting that other people should not have alternative points of view because it is contrary to your observations is very lame" Did I at any point state you should not believe whatever it is you believe? I merely asked you to support your claims with evidence. I did not insult you, I did not attack you. I simply asked you for evidence. Why should you feel offended? If you go to pay school fees for your child and asked to produce a receipt of the payment at the administration office, will you feel offended?
 

thesavage

Village Sponsor
#13
Bro, you are literally making up stuff I did not say and proceeding to argue against stuff I did not say.

Point no.1 "impossibility". I said it is impossible to ascertain whether testimonies of these people who claim to have visited spiritual reams are true or false. Tell me, is it possible? If it is, how would it be done? If it has been done, where is the proof?

Point no. 2 You were talking about 4% of matter is seen and the rest unseen. You were on the topic of anti-matter/dark matter. When you were referring to scientists you were not speaking about multiple universes, you were speaking about dark matter. Scientists DO NOT agree other universes exist.

Point no. 3 "insisting that other people should not have alternative points of view because it is contrary to your observations is very lame" Did I at any point state you should not believe whatever it is you believe? I merely asked you to support your claims with evidence. I did not insult you, I did not attack you. I simply asked you for evidence. Why should you feel offended? If you go to pay school fees for your child and asked to produce a receipt of the payment at the administration office, will you feel offended?
Evidence to you means what you can see (as i visible light seeing), and touch and hear (as in air or solid or liquid audio) transmission etc. What you can observe physically. I doubt you are likely to get that. You will likely not. From the little I have heard, you cannot interact with spirits using such media. But you can try, or not. Scientist SUSPECT the existence of other universes. Google it.
 
#16
:D:D Hahaha ati research NDE( near death experiences).... You ever realize anybody who had a NDE always writes a book and makes millions ...and most are omusungu ...wow people are brainwashed...


Anyways ...the white Jesus paradiso in the clouds doesn't exist and the black devil in fake hell is a lie (the devil does not exist)...

Heaven and hell are more of "ideologies"... But this is a simplified explanation from me
one thing I am not is not brain washed
you need to get your facts straight
from your comment your lacking in knowledge get your facts.
 
#17
one thing I am not is not brain washed
you need to get your facts straight
from your comment your lacking in knowledge get your facts.

Unanikumbusha those tv programs where rednecks look for bigfoot... All talk with zero or weak evidence...

If you believe there's a magical heaven in the sky with white Jesus (which would mean he has a white father ) then that shows your pastor and yourself are clueless about the bible... you realize colonialists taught your pastors the bible and Christianity ..why should anyone trust their "turn the other cheek" and "heaven after death" nonesense...

...whoever taught you about the bible thinks demons look like you ..but angels and Jesus look like them...so if you believe in this racist heaven nonesense , then your whole point crumbles...

I could explain all your points one by one ...from the 12 dimensions angle , astral projection and NDE angle but since those have no white supremacist interference ...nimeona I put this scientific evidence first...the last photo is the PUNCHLINE..

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#18
Unanikumbusha those tv programs where rednecks look for bigfoot... All talk with zero or weak evidence...

If you believe there's a magical heaven in the sky with white Jesus (which would mean he has a white father ) then that shows your pastor and yourself are clueless about the bible... you realize colonialists taught your pastors the bible and Christianity ..why should anyone trust their "turn the other cheek" and "heaven after death" nonesense...

...whoever taught you about the bible thinks demons look like you ..but angels and Jesus look like them...so if you believe in this racist heaven nonesense , then your whole point crumbles...

I could explain all your points one by one ...from the 12 dimensions angle , astral projection and NDE angle but since those have no white supremacist interference ...nimeona I put this scientific evidence first...the last photo is the PUNCHLINE..

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I did not mention heaven or hell my point is an afterlife exists that what I believe call it heaven or Valhalla the colonialist didn't come to teach what people didn't know , the ancestors did know God exists anyway your free to believe whatever you want the choice is yours
 

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