PLO Lumumba ame ambia wakikuyu poa ?

So pointing out okuyus folly is equals to supporting Raila? You are a very brilliant man.
The issue here is that kiuks are selfish and vote their own. Y'all like to use that hypocritical stick propagated by your bitter leaders to beat them. Your leaders who y'all vote for religiously are just as bad as those mnasema. They call out corruption only because they are not at the table, and as soon as they cash that handcheque they go mute. Every voter in Kenya has a problem, not just Kikuyus kwa hivo mtuachishe.
 
The point is, every community votes for their person, not only Kiuks. Shida yenu kubwa ni ati Kiuks have the numbers and their leaders have been smart enough to seek alliances with other communities in order to get the top seat. Other communities would do the exact same thing if they had their man at the top, ni chance tu hawajapata. That is what makes this propaganda against Kiuks very hypocritical.
Most communities have never had a presidential candidate so how do they vote for their own. And Luos, Kalenjins, Kambas and Luhyas have all supported Kikuyu candidates and have never gotten any support back.
 
What you can't say for a fact is that your man anaweza fanya a better job. He is as rotten. Get your head out of your ass. Hampendi kiuks sababu mara nyingi hawawahitaji. You are so busy painting kiuks as the biggest problem na huyo jamaa wenu ameishi kununuliwa since Kanu days. That is the man you would want us to think is a "saviour"? SMH
Hizo elections zote nyi huona tu Raila kama the only other candidate mpaka mnawacha wakikuyu better kuliko wenye mnapigianga kura ndio mjitetee mkitumia Raila
 

Jimit

Village Sponsor
Hizo elections zote nyi huona tu Raila kama the only other candidate mpaka mnawacha wakikuyu better kuliko wenye mnapigianga kura ndio mjitetee mkitumia Raila
Hawezi kubali but truth of the matter is, even the most brilliant Okuyu has been brainwashed to believe that Raila is the enemy, and the person who made them beleive that is the one who went ahead to f**k them real proper. Too bad they wont see it as it is, they are suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Raila isn't the only one who's been an MP for that long, yet he's their focus. Also, he happened to be a victim of circumstances, being an MP for Kibera, it'll take a serious effort of not only the government but other organizations to turn around the plight of Kibera residents.
 

Mzichi

Village Elder
Hii ndio ignorance ilikuwa inafanya mzungu achape mwafrika viboko. Do you really know the responsibilities of an MP? What you just described is a failure of govt and its mandarins. But as I said, some people are too dumb to conceptualize issues beyond self. You are one of them.
Measure RAO against RUTO as an MP and UHURU as an MP. Even simple CDF was troublesome for RAO
 
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Mzichi

Village Elder
Hawezi kubali but truth of the matter is, even the most brilliant Okuyu has been brainwashed to believe that Raila is the enemy, and the person who made them beleive that is the one who went ahead to f**k them real proper. Too bad they wont see it as it is, they are suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Raila isn't the only one who's been an MP for that long, yet he's their focus. Also, he happened to be a victim of circumstances, being an MP for Kibera, it'll take a serious effort of not only the government but other organizations to turn around the plight of Kibera residents.
KIUKS haven't been brainwashed against RAO, let's be honest. RAOs rhetoric is very anti-KIUK. 2007 was his infamous 41 against 1. Juzi 2017 RAO hosted campaigns that sought tomotivate an anti-KIUK base. ATi wakikuyu wamejengewa barbara mpaka kwa Nyumba, wanapewa pesa EQUITY, ati we should slow them down tuwafikie tuendelee pamoja... that's near verbatim NASA campaign. BBI the guy is already entertaining very hot-headed tribal rhetoric. Get this, RAO appeals to an ani-KIUK base because he fashions himself us. Don't cry foul when KIUKS treat him as everyone else does: an anti-KIUK leader
 

Mzichi

Village Elder
Hawezi kubali but truth of the matter is, even the most brilliant Okuyu has been brainwashed to believe that Raila is the enemy, and the person who made them beleive that is the one who went ahead to f**k them real proper. Too bad they wont see it as it is, they are suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Raila isn't the only one who's been an MP for that long, yet he's their focus. Also, he happened to be a victim of circumstances, being an MP for Kibera, it'll take a serious effort of not only the government but other organizations to turn around the plight of Kibera residents.
Why don't we also use this excuse for all other leaders?
 

Mzichi

Village Elder
Most communities have never had a presidential candidate so how do they vote for their own. And Luos, Kalenjins, Kambas and Luhyas have all supported Kikuyu candidates and have never gotten any support back.
STop being hypocritical. Tribes follow a tribal kingpin. They cast their lot with their preferred tribal leaders. LUHYA didn't vote KIUKS, they followed their leaders. Just the other day in NAI, KIUKS voted in SONKO against PETER KENNETH. Come 2022 they are behind WSR

KIUKS have suffered violence since '92 because of elections. Any RHETORIC that seeks to raise anti-KIUK sentiment motivates the base to vote defensively. It's not an irrational fear, we've seen it too many times to count.
 
STop being hypocritical. Tribes follow a tribal kingpin. They cast their lot with their preferred tribal leaders. LUHYA didn't vote KIUKS, they followed their leaders. Just the other day in NAI, KIUKS voted in SONKO against PETER KENNETH. Come 2022 they are behind WSR

KIUKS have suffered violence since '92 because of elections. Any RHETORIC that seeks to raise anti-KIUK sentiment motivates the base to vote defensively. It's not an irrational fear, we've seen it too many times to count.
Sonko was in Jubilee a Kikuyu party. And Kiuks suffer violence because of land injustice and marginalisation
 
KIUKS haven't been brainwashed against RAO, let's be honest. RAOs rhetoric is very anti-KIUK. 2007 was his infamous 41 against 1. Juzi 2017 RAO hosted campaigns that sought tomotivate an anti-KIUK base. ATi wakikuyu wamejengewa barbara mpaka kwa Nyumba, wanapewa pesa EQUITY, ati we should slow them down tuwafikie tuendelee pamoja... that's near verbatim NASA campaign. BBI the guy is already entertaining very hot-headed tribal rhetoric. Get this, RAO appeals to an ani-KIUK base because he fashions himself us. Don't cry foul when KIUKS treat him as everyone else does: an anti-KIUK leader
There is no leader outside central who is pro-Kikuyu because marginalisation is real tembea Kenya uone
 
This is why I have never subjected my precious body to the scorching heat of the sun all in the name of voting...all these top politicians are a disappointment with nothing good to offer other than fattening their bank accounts at the expense of the common mwananchi.however,if i decide to vote i will definitely go with the someone new.Not the likes of ruto and rao,they all need to go home
 

Mzichi

Village Elder
There is no leader outside central who is pro-Kikuyu because marginalisation is real tembea Kenya uone
very few communities can legitimately claim marginalization. LUO LUHYA KAMBA KISii and many other big tribes have ALWAYS HAD INFLUENTIAL LEADERS IN GOV. Where are the poorest communities? The development of Central 7has never been due o the government. MOI was an anti-KIUK who ruled the country for over 2 decades, yet KIUKS flourished under him. The likes of SK MACHARIA were targeted by the GOV,, but still made it.

Even with devolution, the KIUKS got the worst of it. Our counties get disproportionately lower funds if you consider population, yet we still flourish. That's 24 years under an anti-KIUK government and almost 10 years under a system that actively disfavor us. When you see s succeed, si kusaidiwa... ni kujua tulijua kitambo serikali haitutakii mema.

Even where you say there is marginalization, a KIUK will go there and flourish... mind you no one in the local gov will be his tribesman, but he'll still make it. It's a culture thing, we don't know how to laze around... for the better part, at least
 

Mzichi

Village Elder
Sonko was in Jubilee a Kikuyu party. And Kiuks suffer violence because of land injustice and marginalisation
You are wrong. '92 and '97 was caused by the push for democracy. In these two election years, the KIUK leadership pioneered multiparty politics in the land. The KIUK as a people were staunch anti-NYAYO voters, morethan any other demographic. It is the fight for democracy that saw the violence as the KANU REGIME sought to silence the KIUK vote.

DEmocracy in this country was watered by the blood of KIUKS. These nonsense ya mashamba imeanza juzi juzi, when people had to find an excuse to silence the KIUK vote again. Look at the regions with the most anti-KIUK hate. The KIUKS there own like an acre each... land is owned by very few families. In maa land, the greatest chunk of the land, over half in some counties is in the hands of wazungu, but everybody has a problem with the acre OKUYU alinunua kando ya MLUHYA na MJALUO

It's hypocrisy and misinformation. Learn your History. It's because of these things that KIUKS will never RAO, he embodies anti-KIUK rhetoric and misinformation in the land. Look at you here overlooking the facts of HISTORY to blame KIUKS for the violence meted against them through the ages. CENTRAL has no special GOVERNMENT presence that's void elsewhere. Show me how any GOV has ever favored KIUKS before claiming that we're killed for the same. LEARN YOUR HISTORY!
 
very few communities can legitimately claim marginalization. LUO LUHYA KAMBA KISii and many other big tribes have ALWAYS HAD INFLUENTIAL LEADERS IN GOV. Where are the poorest communities? The development of Central 7has never been due o the government. MOI was an anti-KIUK who ruled the country for over 2 decades, yet KIUKS flourished under him. The likes of SK MACHARIA were targeted by the GOV,, but still made it.

Even with devolution, the KIUKS got the worst of it. Our counties get disproportionately lower funds if you consider population, yet we still flourish. That's 24 years under an anti-KIUK government and almost 10 years under a system that actively disfavor us. When you see s succeed, si kusaidiwa... ni kujua tulijua kitambo serikali haitutakii mema.

Even where you say there is marginalization, a KIUK will go there and flourish... mind you no one in the local gov will be his tribesman, but he'll still make it. It's a culture thing, we don't know how to laze around... for the better part, at least
If the development in central is not related to the government why do Kikuyus vote for their own leader? Devolution funds are determined by a formula which combines population, size of the county and marginalization. Your counties are small and are not marginalized.
 
You are wrong. '92 and '97 was caused by the push for democracy. In these two election years, the KIUK leadership pioneered multiparty politics in the land. The KIUK as a people were staunch anti-NYAYO voters, morethan any other demographic. It is the fight for democracy that saw the violence as the KANU REGIME sought to silence the KIUK vote.

DEmocracy in this country was watered by the blood of KIUKS. These nonsense ya mashamba imeanza juzi juzi, when people had to find an excuse to silence the KIUK vote again. Look at the regions with the most anti-KIUK hate. The KIUKS there own like an acre each... land is owned by very few families. In maa land, the greatest chunk of the land, over half in some counties is in the hands of wazungu, but everybody has a problem with the acre OKUYU alinunua kando ya MLUHYA na MJALUO

It's hypocrisy and misinformation. Learn your History. It's because of these things that KIUKS will never RAO, he embodies anti-KIUK rhetoric and misinformation in the land. Look at you here overlooking the facts of HISTORY to blame KIUKS for the violence meted against them through the ages. CENTRAL has no special GOVERNMENT presence that's void elsewhere. Show me how any GOV has ever favored KIUKS before claiming that we're killed for the same. LEARN YOUR HISTORY!
Land issue is the primary cause of violence in Kenya the rest just comes up because people were already angry. The land problems were brought by Jomo who allowed the whites to remain in Kenya. He also decided that Kenyans should be land which stolen by the mzungu. At the time, the Kalenjins and Maas did not have the same financial power as the Kikuyu and they lost land that was initially theirs. The same Jomo went all over Kenya grabbing land. It is hypocritical for Kiuks to support the Kenyattas then claim that they are not part of the land problem
 

Mzichi

Village Elder
If the development in central is not related to the government why do Kikuyus vote for their own leader? Devolution funds are determined by a formula which combines population, size of the county and marginalization. Your counties are small and are not marginalized.
Such hypocrisy. What has the gov done for kiuks not available in other counties, be specific? ATi why do KIUKS vote for their own?... why does everyone else?
 

Mzichi

Village Elder
Land issue is the primary cause of violence in Kenya the rest just comes up because people were already angry. The land problems were brought by Jomo who allowed the whites to remain in Kenya. He also decided that Kenyans should be land which stolen by the mzungu. At the time, the Kalenjins and Maas did not have the same financial power as the Kikuyu and they lost land that was initially theirs. The same Jomo went all over Kenya grabbing land. It is hypocritical for Kiuks to support the Kenyattas then claim that they are not part of the land problem
KIUKS are not for KENYATTA now. Will you now pass this blame on to BABA and his followers? If supporting KENYATTA amounts to being part of the land problem, will you be consistent and say ALL UHURU SUPPORTERS NOW ARE part of the problem?

If not, that's dictionary hypocrisy.

Ati Kalenjins and Maas lost land to KIUKS... my friend tembea one. KIUKS have very small parcels of land, KALES have chunks unfathomable by KIUKS. Even in western ordinary folk landed large CHUNKS, not so for ordinary KIUKS. That's why we're all over the lace, nyumbani ata pa kuzikwa hakuna.
 
Such hypocrisy. What has the gov done for kiuks not available in other counties, be specific? ATi why do KIUKS vote for their own?... why does everyone else?
I will not be specific. If you cant see marginalization then there is no hope for you. We vote for our own to benefit from the government. Why do Kiuks vote for their own?
 

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