The comments in this post just prove what I have always advocated for. People feel that their tribe being in power represents their interest whatever. Because Kenyans cannot learn to coexist as one the best option is to have ethnic federal states running their one affairs and have rotational president to represent the country in foreign whatever.
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You are thinking of the big tribes. What about the many small ones. Whats to stop the sub-tribes from asking for their turn
Once you open up this can of worms there is no stopping. You are just inviting more chaos for future generations
There should be no borders anywhere in this world in the first place.
Kuna watu wakabila kuliko wakale?
Langat this won’t work. We are way far too gone. If I understand Pauline’s post and the comments below, I sense that they are advocating for a Cendro king pin to represent ‘us’ come 2022. Currently there is none and this is where Uhuru is trying to ‘penya’. By kukatalia kwa power. Some of us want him gone, others want him to stay. And so he does not have the backing as far as I can see. And let no one try to talk to us about Waiguru or Peter Kenneth.
lets break up africa borders and draw them according to linguistic!, all our problems will be solved, in kenya, we don’t share any national or cultural values, that’s why some tribes view others as weird or backwards yet we were forced together. ,watch documentary below explaining it better.
Kwenda huko na ukabila wako
this is the most retarded post i have seen so far. this is some of the reasons why kenya will never get united like let’s say tanzania, we always think in terms of tribes we focus most on our diffrences instead of similarities. we are all humans,we are all earthlings,we are all africans,we are all kenyans. but we still divide ourselves in the basis of culture and tribes. no wonder why white people will always triumph over africans! look at the bigger picture man,you don’t have to follow what all old people are doing, remember that stupid people gets old too!
You keep repeating this every month with the same results. Rejection. Why. This idea is divisive, stupid and dangerous
If you want to celebrate tribes then promote tribal cultures and beliefs that make positive contributions to society. Your desire for individual tribal identity is not a priority for the majority of other Kenyans.
In governance anyone who mentions this should be shunned completely. Let’s all have a look at ethnic federalism examples. Ethiopia is a federal republic made up of a collection of tribal states. As we speak, 1.6 million Ethiopians are internally displaced refugees within the country as they were evicted and displaced at the common borders of this ethnic states who are fighting over borders. Secondly Amharic state which is the second biggest tribe in Ethiopia attempted a coup last year. They tried to seize state assembly and state to be run by some tribal radicals. PM Ably wore military fatigues and led the army to put it down. He soon realized the same radicals he set free from prison led the coup. Tigray state who are a small community and the immediate former powerful rulers of Ethiopia have broken away completely from federal government control. The state police is fully manned by their tribe members, very well armed, have put up roadblocks in all their roads on the border with the rest of Ethiopia to search anyone coming and giving permission to do so. They ignored PM Ably and conducted their own state elections. They picked their own MP’s for the local the state assembly. They are forming their own army judging by how much arms they have. Its a very dangerous development there in Ethiopia.
PM Ably last visit to Tigray last year involved heavy security, decoys and look alike bodyguards to protect him. Imagine a sitting head of state going through that in a country he is supposed to ran. Now Oromia state which is the same tribe as PM Ably is also in turmoil. You would think he would be very comfortable with this state right, No. He is not, apparently he is like President Uhuru and central. Its an strained relationship because their common interests are far apart. PM Ably rose to the top thanks to 7 years of sustained local based revolution by oromos against Tigray led Ethiopia. This is because the country development was centred on multinational needs not the people. All the roads, trains, power, water, security to protect the industries and bypass people. A spontaneous grassroots uprising tinkered for long until it was about to explode to a civil war. 20,000 oromo people died to force the Tigray to give up power for the country self preservation. With 30 million still in extreme poverty, 20 million in poverty then they were expecting a lot of immediate changes to people centred initiatives. PM Ably started well, reforms, peace, release of prisoners then become comfortable. He hasn’t reformed the economy fast enough and align development to help the people. Instead he has replaced rival oromia leaders so that he is not challenged by anyone. Impatience has lead to a second grassroots uprising in his home state. So far 2000 are dead and he has lost control of the internal dynamics of the country. Ironically he won the Noble peace price when he can’t be certain he can keep Ethiopia together.
Somali state in Ethiopia and Ethiopia military are doing their own operations in Gedo and Jubaland Somali that he is not in control of. The recent rivalries with KDF in Somali is news to PM Ably as well. Seems even his control to the military is not as strong as expected.
Look at Nigeria and its ethnic based federal states. Tribal chiefs keep spending $billions on grandiose projects that fail and stall every 5 years. Its a showcase of bad ethnic politics.
Very stupid idea to bring that to the very competitive obsessed Kenya politics. We are now moving from tribal politics to those who have vs those who don’t. The rich few vs the many poor. Hustles vs dynasties.
Remember to get there it was clans vs clans, sex vs sex and tribes vs tribes. I want a Kenya where Kurias can demand answers and development on equal footing like Kalenjins, Kikuyus, Luhyas and Luos. That will not happen if you still want to worship tribes in Kenya politics.
Kielewekes seems to have been given a mandate to spread as much tribal kikuyu bile as they can from this Pauline to ngunyi same messages recently.
They have moved on from using corruption in their anti ruto propaganda once they found out that people were well aware that kieleweke were a bunch of much bigger sanitized thugs.
Now they are trying to bring kikuyu unity and representation. But kyuks have moved on from mtu Wetu syndrome seeing as the community only share the blame but not the loot these ‘representatives’ steal.
going forward, we are negotiating real projects not how many tumbocrats are given positions
You don’t seem to have watched the video you posted to the end. Did breaking down to linguistics solve all of South Sudan’s problems from this video? No it went further down to fight over scarce resources.
i am not
I am not really advocating for it as per say. I am trying to start a conversation around it. In Kenya people seems to be more aligned to their tribes than the country or the nation and that is where all our problems of corruption and impunity starts and reign
I have proposed this elsewhere before, karibu nimaliswe na kuitwa tribalist… Kenya as a nation is not an indigenous idea but a colonial one. That is why cohesion is so elusive…
Infact the whole of african nation states were created in the berlin conference not by africans themselves, Its time we had an African conference to define and return african nations to their cohesive units decided by ourselves…
In the interim if we were to remedy our situation within our borders:-
I believe ultimate executive power should rest in a council of 42 eminent elders, one elected from each tribe… you can even merge a few of the smaller tribes until they meet a set threshold, to have a lean and more efficient council…
Their work should be to veto decisions made by a president… Wanasomewo wanakubali ama kukataa… it is for example illogical and absurd to have the will of a pastoralist community be imposed on an agricultural community and vice versa… simply coz of demographics of democracy
The fear of chaos should not stiffle us from making bold decisions that lead to real progress and not complaints generation after generation…
Infact, the threat of chaos is what those who benefit from the current scenario peddle in order to maintain an absurd status quo…
You nailed it
if the ancestors of the small tribes could not master enough dick fluid to sire a large generation, why should anyone gives a shit about them? There is a reason they are at the bottom of the food chain. if they want to clinch the presidency, it means they will need someone who works as ten times as hard and who will not need to rely on tribal numbers to win. it means he or she will have to prove he is worth it to be chosen president.
By the way, Moi was a Tugen, which is a minority tribe of less than 200K people. Yet he still managed to clinch onto the presidency for 24 years, a record that will remain unbroken for hundreds of years to come. So we already know that a minor tribe can win the presidency
Do you know how many wars Europe has fought in order to be what it is today?.. Let no one cheat you it was all merry and roses… The very last war became a global one that cost over 40million lives. Look where they are now. I believ as africans we have the temerity and civility to go about this exercise without shedding blood.
Again you are wrong, problem ni we we. How do you equate corruption and impunity to tribes. Greed is universal. Let me say it in a way that will sink in. Kila MTU ana tumbo yake.
I would not say Kyuks have quite yet moved away from the mtu wetu syndrome.
Once they see every tribe is backing one of their own, Kyuks will also demand their own leader who they can stand behind.
These leaders from the respective tribes will then engage in a lot of negotiations and horse trading and we will probably end up with two major competing blocks representing tribal coalitions.
This is exactly what the current coalitions represent i.e. Jubilee Vs NASA.
By 2022, new tribal coalitions will have formed but the faces will still be the same. The forest will have changed but the monkeys remain the same.
have watched it a dozen times, key message is that for a country to be truly united, they must have a unifying factor, whether language, religion or culture, south Sudan started off well but was brought down by greed. but linguistic is a start, we have to start somewhere? coming to Kenya, the biggest divide is between bantus and nilotes, cushites already prefer staying alone especially those sharing Islam religion.