I actually did not know that there was extreme MGTOW and moderate MGTOW. I found out that the 72 yo MGTOW who posed as a FedEx delivery man and murdered Judge Esther Saleez son just turned 20 and shot her husband was an extreme MGTOW who lived off the grid like a hermit. This monster had the profile of most MGTOW. Not physically attractive is number 1, not very popular and outgoing is number 2, extremely high standards for the type of women they want, this man went to Russia to get a very young blonde bombshell and he wooed her with his money but we all know that women can be more superficial about looks than men because they want their kids to have good looks especially if they are girls and we know girls look like their dads. So either way, she never had kids with him as he had hoped and she married a younger, not so wealthy, hot Russian guy. So this is the point that the guy joined MGTOW, he became a man’s rights advocate, he sued nightclubs for having ladies night with free entry for women and he filed a case to ensure that women wouldn’t get drafted into the army. Btw he’s suspected to have been behind the brutal murder of another men’s rights advocate. Apparently he has now killed 3 men himself including. All because he hates women because even with all his money he can’t get the type of woman that he really wants. I guess it has more to do with his personality. I’ve dated people who look like movie stars. All you need is to not put them on a pedestal and to enjoy yourself. You would be amazed at how great relationship material good looking people are, unlike short men and a esthetically challenged men who are insecure and want to womanise to compensate for their inadequacy, good-looking, tall men have nothing to prove, they’re not so invested in what everyone thinks of them, as long as you don’t become possessive and smitten by their looks. They are just human like everyone else and they crave intimacy and understanding and love like any other person. So but they have to fall in love with you too and money can’t buy that love especially if you are an arsehole. People want to belong, to be happy and at peace. They do not want someone who is obsessed with them and trying to control them. But hey I’m not the expert, let’s hear from Dr. Grande.
Break down for those who don’t have bundles @Mzichi this is required listening to understand MGTOW. Actually I am very shocked by the statistics he gives from his experience in therapy and study
First marriage have 50% failure rate
2nd marriage 60% failure rate
3rd marriage 70% failure rate
80% of all people in marriage are unhappy
But highest unhappiness is amongst those who divorced
While highest happiness is among those who either never married or never got divorced. Which is tricky if he says 80% of married people are unhappy. So do the 80% who are unhappy in marriage just hang in there until they get used to being unhappy and eventually become happy.
Either way, there’s also unhapiness statistics for single men who get depressed and commit suicide or die early. Apparently single women don’t seem to commit suicide or die early or go into depression. So basically the only winner here is the never married single woman.
Dr Grandes stats are a little off. The idea that unmarried people are unhappy was suggested by a Dolan… I forget the other name. The studys sample was hardly representative.
This subject has been studied for well over 30 years. Meta studies of the findings are conclusive that married people are happier than everyone else. Never married come second, and the divorced and separated come in last.
To say 80% of people in marriages are unhappy isn’t borne of any data I’ve come across.
Just a year or two ago, nationwide surveys in the UK found out that marriage was a better predictor of happiness than economic status…
Dr Grande is not correct here.
Married people are happier and more successful than other descriptions.
This is based off studies dating back to the 70s… With the most replicated coming from the 90s onwards.
And yes, like every group, MGTOW has internal schisms. Its not as organized or influential as third wave feminism though. The western universities are primarily post modernist in ideology and even you would be cancelled for your views on abotion and religion.
MGTOW are typically internet trolls without any influence.
Back to topic, though.
The overwhelming conclusion of almost every study on the effect of marriage is that married people are happier than everyone else.
This is an article on the Dolan fella I mentioned.
The writer is wrong… Her study was by no means representative. Read her book and the academic critic
Even Berkeley, a VERY postmodernist feminist ideologized institution disagreed with the findings.
There are no studies to collaborate her… Every study disagrees with her. Marriage is a pretty good indicator of happiness and success