America, America!

NYC/NBO

Village Elder
#2
LOL mi sielewi this obsession. Even I am not concerned about America like that and I live here. Ukweli I hope this obsession extends to other countries too because surely America can't be the center of everything. It can't possibly be that interesting to occupy so much energy
 

Lionheart

Village Elder
#4
These guys have a law about almost every thing. The state holds too much sway over families making parents almost powerless in disciplining their own children. That to me is a mistake. You see, some clueless and overzealous social worker like the one who wrote the report in the video is bound to abuse that legal provision. The school principal didn't need to call cops and social workers to restrain a child. My take is she's no teacher if she cannot understand the psychology of children. Even the lady cop says nothing is wrong with the girl--she's just a kid being a kid! All I see are adults making serious decisions about children, like children.
 
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mishale

Village Elder
#5
LOL mi sielewi this obsession. Even I am not concerned about America like that and I live here. Ukweli I hope this obsession extends to other countries too because surely America can't be the center of everything. It can't possibly be that interesting to occupy so much energy
America is the world's superpower and all eyes will always be on America.
people will always be looking at Her freedoms and rights and how they are affecting Her positively and negatively.
 
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These guys have a law about almost every thing. The state holds too much sway over families making parents almost powerless in disciplining their own children. That to me is a mistake. You see, some clueless and overzealous social worker like the one who wrote the report in the video is bound to abuse that legal provision. The school principal didn't need to call cops and social workers to restrain a child. My take is she's no teacher if she cannot understand the psychology of children. Even the lady cop says nothing is wrong with the girl--she's just a kid being a kid! All I see are adults making serious decisions about children, like children.
The weird thing is that so many kids have been killed under the watch of Child Protective Services. They return so many kids to abusive homes and they end up dead. It's not like they even care about these kids.


 

mishale

Village Elder
#7
The weird thing is that so many kids have been killed under the watch of Child Protective Services. They return so many kids to abusive homes and they end up dead. It's not like they even care about these kids.

do you support aboshon?
if most mothers/women were given free will to not have the babies, we wouldn't have this big a mess.
 
#9
do you support aboshon?
if most mothers/women were given free will to not have the babies, we wouldn't have this big a mess.
I don't support it. A woman's right to choose ends where at conception. The human conceived also has a right to live which supercedes the mother's right to choose to have the baby or not.
 
#10
LOL mi sielewi this obsession. Even I am not concerned about America like that and I live here. Ukweli I hope this obsession extends to other countries too because surely America can't be the center of everything. It can't possibly be that interesting to occupy so much energy
Do you know a country where kids are taken to mental institutions for being naughty?
 

mishale

Village Elder
#12
I don't support it. A woman's right to choose ends where at conception. The human conceived also has a right to live which supercedes the mother's right to choose to have the baby or not.
then it's funny how these rights and freedoms have caused so much death, pain, anger to the children/people they are fighting for.
so let the systems work on themselves and hope whoever has the greatest rights/freedom wins.
 
#13
Bureaucrats, bureaucrats everywhere.
These guys have a law about almost every thing. The state holds too much sway over families making parents almost powerless in disciplining their own children. That to me is a mistake. You see, some clueless and overzealous social worker like the one who wrote the report in the video is bound to abuse that legal provision. The school principal didn't need to call cops and social workers to restrain a child. My take is she's no teacher if she cannot understand the psychology of children. Even the lady cop says nothing is wrong with the girl--she's just a kid being a kid! All I see are adults making serious decisions about children, like children.
America is slowly turning into Soviet Union 2.0.
 

Lionheart

Village Elder
#14
The weird thing is that so many kids have been killed under the watch of Child Protective Services. They return so many kids to abusive homes and they end up dead. It's not like they even care about these kids.


I think their laws on protecting children are flawed. They end up doing more harm to kids than good. No one is more suited to take care of kids than parents. Of course there are some people who abuse their own children and the kids are removed from home, but they tend not to be any safer in the hands of Child Protection Services. It's a model we should not adopt.
 
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I think their laws on protecting children are flawed. They end up doing more harm to kids than good. No one is more suited to take care of kids than parents. Of course there are some people who abuse their own children and the kids are removed from home, but they tend not to be any safer in the hands of Child Protection Services. It's a model we should not adopt.
From the cases I have followed and I do follow them closely CPS has either no effect or it makes things worse. Since fostering pays, many do it for the money not because they care. There's too much child abuse in the US especially among minority groups. I think that the sit is beyond CPS. They need reforms and better strategies.
 

mishale

Village Elder
#16
I think their laws on protecting children are flawed. They end up doing more harm to kids than good. No one is more suited to take care of kids than parents. Of course there are some people who abuse their own children and the kids are removed from home, but they tend not to be any safer in the hands of Child Protection Services. It's a model we should adopt.
i think the real questions here are:-
1) should we force women and men to have children? (make aboshon legal everywhere)
2) should we have a law that requires men and women who want to have kids (born or adoption) prove they are capable of rasing kid/s. (like mentally, financially)
3) should we have courses and test that one has to undertake to get a license to have kids?

we now have parents who don't know how to raise kids, arent mentally/financially stable to have kids, raising kids who face challenges/abuse growing up and later decide to have kids and subject tem to the same problems.
 

Lionheart

Village Elder
#18
i think the real questions here are:-
1) should we force women and men to have children? (make aboshon legal everywhere)
2) should we have a law that requires men and women who want to have kids (born or adoption) prove they are capable of rasing kid/s. (like mentally, financially)
3) should we have courses and test that one has to undertake to get a license to have kids?

we now have parents who don't know how to raise kids, arent mentally/financially stable to have kids, raising kids who face challenges/abuse growing up and later decide to have kids and subject tem to the same problems.
This would make the whole issue too complicated and impractical, oppressive even.You cannot tell people whether they should have children or not, or let the state decide who should have them. At least not in a democratic state. Those are personal choices. What I think would be fair is to make laws about how to treat and care for children who are already born.
 

mishale

Village Elder
#19
This would make the whole issue too complicated and impractical, oppressive even.You cannot tell people whether they should have children or not, or let the state decide who should have them. At least not in a democratic state. Those are personal choices. What I think would be fair is to make laws about how to treat and care for children who are already born.
but isn't that what's happening in America and the CPS?
or should the CPS system be upgraded to suit the children's best interest in any circumstances?

freedom is Humans Achilles heel
 
#20
It happens, but that is the height of absurdity. Kids are bound to throw tantrums sometimes. It's part of growing up , it doesn't mean they are mad.
When I heard she threw something just remembered how my 4 yo nephew threw something and it hit me on the lip. He'd probably be in kiddy jail if he was in America.
 

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