The book of Revelation

mbwakali · May 14, 2021, 2:10pm

Rev 22:16 , Jesus says he’s satan

system · May 15, 2021, 9:50am

No. Moreover fear is a poor motivator. Our prophet Elijah said he would still serve God even if he was sent to hell. That’s how much we ought to love God. Not for the benefits but for who He is.

Christ_the_King · May 15, 2021, 10:21am

All I see in this thread is the spiritually dead and zombies dissuading each other

system · May 15, 2021, 10:48am

Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to heaven. The ONLY way. Those ancestors will be judged based on the light which was in their day, however they must make that choice like the rest of us who have heard of Christ. So we know that the rapture will happen and then there will be a 3.5 year Great Tribulation on earth. The 144,000 Jews will not be raptured because they will be on earth being preached to by Moses and Elijah. During this tumultuous period on earth, the Bride of Christ will be in heaven for the wedding supper of the Lamb. We’re going to feast and have intimate moments with the Lord thereafter. It’s like when a man and woman get married. There’s a feast and then a wedding night where you get to know each other really well.

After these 3.5 years are over, the marriage supper is over, this earth will be completely destroyed and a new earth will be formed. A brand new Millenium city will descend and sit upon Mt Zion in present day Jerusalem. Who will live in the main city? All the saints who were raptured, the 144,000 Jews and Christians who missed the rapture but held on to their faith even as they were killed by the antichrist.

Everyone else, that is, children who died before the age of accountability, our ancestors of yore who were “good people” based on the light of their day etc will live on the outside of the walls. However, every single day there will be a sermon preached by Jesus Himself and they’re gonna have to choose for themselves. Some will refuse and join Satan’s army after he is released from jail at the conclusion of the great millennium.

Soprano · May 15, 2021, 12:14pm

Purple:

Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to heaven. The ONLY way. Those ancestors will be judged based on the light which was in their day, however they must make that choice like the rest of us who have heard of Christ. So we know that the rapture will happen and then there will be a 3.5 year Great Tribulation on earth. The 144,000 Jews will not be raptured because they will be on earth being preached to by Moses and Elijah. During this tumultuous period on earth, the Bride of Christ will be in heaven for the wedding supper of the Lamb. We’re going to feast and have intimate moments with the Lord thereafter. It’s like when a man and woman get married. There’s a feast and then a wedding night where you get to know each other really well.

After these 3.5 years are over, the marriage supper is over, this earth will be completely destroyed and a new earth will be formed. A brand new Millenium city will descend and sit upon Mt Zion in present day Jerusalem. Who will live in the main city? All the saints who were raptured, the 144,000 Jews and Christians who missed the rapture but held on to their faith even as they were killed by the antichrist.

Everyone else, that is, children who died before the age of accountability, our ancestors of yore who were “good people” based on the light of their day etc will live on the outside of the walls. However, every single day there will be a sermon preached by Jesus Himself and they’re gonna have to choose for themselves. Some will refuse and join Satan’s army after he is released from jail at the conclusion of the great millennium.

Kabla sijaendelea kusoma your reply, I see that you are tagging prophet Elijah, meaning that now you have gone back and is invoking the Hebrew prophet’s prescribed faith as your faith as well, no? Well! I thought I should tell you that at that time when that prophet was alive and ministering, the concept of heaven as it is articulated in the book of Revelation had not been integrated into their principles of faith! At that physical death was the end of story for the Hebrews, at least!

Soprano · May 15, 2021, 12:25pm

Purple:

Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to heaven. The ONLY way. Those ancestors will be judged based on the light which was in their day, however they must make that choice like the rest of us who have heard of Christ. So we know that the rapture will happen and then there will be a 3.5 year Great Tribulation on earth. The 144,000 Jews will not be raptured because they will be on earth being preached to by Moses and Elijah. During this tumultuous period on earth, the Bride of Christ will be in heaven for the wedding supper of the Lamb. We’re going to feast and have intimate moments with the Lord thereafter. It’s like when a man and woman get married. There’s a feast and then a wedding night where you get to know each other really well.

After these 3.5 years are over, the marriage supper is over, this earth will be completely destroyed and a new earth will be formed. A brand new Millenium city will descend and sit upon Mt Zion in present day Jerusalem. Who will live in the main city? All the saints who were raptured, the 144,000 Jews and Christians who missed the rapture but held on to their faith even as they were killed by the antichrist.

Everyone else, that is, children who died before the age of accountability, our ancestors of yore who were “good people” based on the light of their day etc will live on the outside of the walls. However, every single day there will be a sermon preached by Jesus Himself and they’re gonna have to choose for themselves. Some will refuse and join Satan’s army after he is released from jail at the conclusion of the great millennium.

Now, this is just theology. You are just preaching. And I know that I am supposed to say amen, hallelujah, thank you Lord and may your name be exalted above all else! But wait a minute! What is the proof for all this you are talking about? There should be some kind of indication that those ancestors were in the Christian religion creators’ minds! I am even ready to be persuaded by at least a single verse from that Bible!

system · May 15, 2021, 12:43pm

Not that Elijah…

The Bible lists 5 different visitations of the spirit of Elijah.

The first is, of course, Elijah himself. The one who challenged Jezebel and King Ahab, had a showdown at Mt. Carmel putting to shame the false prophets of Baal…
The second Elijah is Elisha who asked for a double portion of Elijah’s spirit. The Bible records four miracles for Elijah and eight for Elisha.
The 3rd spirit of Elijah was spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 11:14 and then also in Malachi chapter 3. That’s John the Baptist who introduced Jesus to the Jews.
I was referring to this fourth visitation of Elijah, as envisaged in Malachi 4. This Elijah will turn the hearts of the children to the fathers, just before the Rapture.
The fifth and last visitation of the spirit of Elijah has not yet happened. Revelation chapter 11, he’s one of the 2 witnesses who will call out the 144,000 Jews.

Arnono · May 15, 2021, 5:07pm

Beenie:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of humanity who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that humans are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened (Romans 1:18-21).

God has deposited something in people’s hearts, they know deep inwards that there is a God, So God will judge them by how much they knew and how they acted on what they knew.

What about the ancient Mayans that practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism, they knew that was right (it was their culture)
This is just an example of a vast majority of cultures that did what is arguably wrong, will they get punished too?

Arnono · May 15, 2021, 5:09pm

Tell the that to the Amalekites killed in God’s name.

Arnono · May 15, 2021, 5:17pm

We need to look at religion from a different, wholesome angle.
God is NOT meant for Christians or Moslems or Hindus alone. This has been and is still the cause of a lot of strife in the Here-Now.

Soprano · May 15, 2021, 5:22pm

Ama the innocent angelic kids in Egypt who were massacred allegedly because the king of Egypt could not let the Israelites leave. And the same “just” God is the very one who caused the King’s heart to be hard as a stone so that he may refuse the Israelites to leave, so that God may wrec more havoc so that everyone should know that he is God!!!
Like really, @Purple? What wrong did the baby’s do to deserve that?

Arnono · May 15, 2021, 5:31pm

There’s bad stories and there’s good ones. The message is generally good, especially in the NT.
What I won’t buy is God being boxed into “one true religion” by the humans.

Soprano · May 15, 2021, 6:03pm

Y

You want to sit on the fence? I got bad news for you! The Christian God does not condone that. Either you are hot or you are cold. If you are neither you will be purged!

Arnono · May 15, 2021, 8:25pm

Am not on the fence, I’m for sanity because God is for nobody and whoever says anything else is a liar.

Beenie · May 16, 2021, 4:07am

What the bible says is final

Beenie · May 16, 2021, 4:18am

You know David’s child(probably grown up) is in heaven with david now, if you read the scriptures well you will get this.

death has two meanings.

Jaweed · May 16, 2021, 4:35am

Soprano:

This book is the epilogue of the Christian Bible, the New Testament, at least.

But wueh!

It “thogothanagias”, yaani inavuruga every other positive message the rest of the New Testament is trying to portray about Jesus completely. It negates the narrative that Jesus Jesus is an all redeeming and forgiving son of man, bla bla bla! It makes it clear that when he comes down the second time with his heavenly glory, it will be to tell us who did not repent “mlikua mnafikiri nilikufa mslabani kazi ya bure tu kama mjinga, ee? Sio? Mtanitambua!!!”

The same book continues to say that all saints have already been registered and marked, kwa hivio some of us with our chastity, our temporance and our faithfulness could be doing a futile work and we could be chasing a useless mirage while wrongly thinking that we are going to heaven! It discriminates against a certain class of saints by ensuring that the 12 tribes of Israel are seen to be held at higher regards by being allocated a special quarter system whereby a group of 144,000 men who are exclusively Israelites enjoy preferential treatment in heaven.

Halafu in the book there are very weird characters of people and equally oddly weird creatures that might as well have shared the same habitation with the dinosaurs… Aargh!

But it is the judgement day’s fires and brimstone, the earthquakes, the demolitions, the exterminations, etc, etc, in the book that hold those who read it at utter horror and terror! No wonder there are congregations and churches, even some denominations, who avoid this literature completely!

Edited Text with massive grammatical errors, next time provide 3 to 4 lines summary than explains your work

Soprano · May 16, 2021, 4:53am

Thank you, Mr English Teacher!
But naomba

Now I am lost.

Beenie · May 16, 2021, 5:07am

In old testament, the children were simply taken to heaven.

Soprano · May 16, 2021, 5:27am

Provide a verse, please!
To the old testament Hebrews infants were not such an important part of their demography as they were at the time of Jesus. Either that or the old testament writers had little regard for the children. Kuna watu wengine hu claim kwamba Israelites used to sacrifice their children to their God, Jehova!

Besides, again, Israelites never had heaven in the list of their beliefs. Hata wakati wa Yesu heaven and resurrection were pretty much foreign concepts and they were very serious points of discussion among the religious leaders.